It's Not What It Used To Be (Lost Activities)

Car parking, I understand from a number of HQAC sources that a senior RAF bod was told by a senior ACF bod that 156 army cadets had been killed or seriously injured while pointing in the direction they wanted slow moving cars to go and they are keeping it hushed up, hence the ban on car parking.

It’s on the internet, so it must be true!

Or a cunning ruse to get the RAFAC out of the way.
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I’d tell them to look at the stats. (For BGA training - individual BGA members can and do do stupid things)

Adding indoor drone flying to the list.

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Adding anything in pleasent weather

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Things being “paused” rather than “stopped” outright……

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Well, now any physical training activities are out:

Adult staff may conduct minor/informal sports activities which are within their competence and having conducted a satisfactory Risk Assessment (RA). With the appropriate level of qualification, such as Sports Leaders Level 2, adult staff may conduct minor physical activity. At no point are adult staff permitted to conduct physical fitness sessions/activities i.e bleep test, circuit training and/or any load bearing exercises. (if there is an ambiguity as to what this covers or enables please refer to the organisational chart to seek guidance). Guidelines on conducting a comprehensive RA for these minor/informal sporting activities are at ACPEDTI No 11 paras 1-3 to this ACP.

Where is this from?

the newly updated ACPEDTI 001. Hasn’t been touched for years, but now updated to say we can only do “minor physical activity”, without bothering to define what on earth that means.

Which also means you can’t now do anything towards the blue DofE badge without having a sports leader, and even then does that count as minor physical activity?

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Yeah, I’ve just dropped Alex an email as it may affect things like Air Rifle Target Sprint.

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It’s another sledgehammer to crack a nut. Over reaction and ill thought out wording, directly impacting people across the country negatively. What exactly is the issue here? There’s been no explanation. I can understand not allowing cadets to use weights, but getting some young people to engage in fitness activities is something I’m sure most squadrons would be doing and now can’t.

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Corps Sports has been chipping away at that for a while, I now it was being looked at, but I’m not in the circle of trust at the moment so don’t know what’s being considered.

This is a very poor policy.

What the hell is the difference between a “minor/informal sport activity” vs “minor physical activity” vs “physical fitness sessions/activities”. Or is this detailed elsewhere in the policy?

(if there is an ambiguity as to what this covers or enables please refer to the organisational chart to seek guidance)

What is the organisational chart? That’s not a term I am aware of? CoC? Is it just saying “Speak to your CoC”?

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So beep test has been stopped got a while

Applying some common sense

minor/informal sports activities - mixed potted non-contact sports like rounders casual football, perhaps blue d of E physical.

minor physical activity - training nights for specific sports such as athletics or contact sports like football rugby hockey netball

conduct physical fitness sessions/activities - circuit training, beep test, fitness basically gym stuff & proper PTI

I would imagine specifically the Sports Officer of available/helpful flavour

You can’t rely on common sense in a national policy document. Unless someone can be arsed to actually give examples and be definitive, there is essentially no point in having a policy. You might as well say that it’s whatever you can get away with at the time.

I understand the need to be trained, I get that we don’t want people creating little gym freaks and putting people in physical harm because of using equipment etc but without clarity this is useless.

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This does make sense, and would certainly be close to how I’d interpret it. But policy like this shouldn’t be open to interpretation; It should be black and white.

I can certainly picture on the extreme ends what is and isn’t allowed, but everything in the middle becomes grey. And then you end up with 36 different ways of enforcing the policy at wing level. Just saying 'if in doubt, speak to the Wg Sport Off" isn’t useful, as what guidance are they working off of?

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In a helpful organisation, someone would produce a guide for ideas for cadet sports evenings detailing what you can and can’t do, give suggestions for activities and ways of running, suggested minimum equipment list that you can ask your committee to buy.

Ours just says we can’t do X and if you’re confused email the one person who might know, but can’t be bothered to tell us all at once in case the information gets loose somewhere and suddenly other people get involved.

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Now the terminology here isn’t great & is likely to confuse some volunteers who are either risk averse, take things literally or just lack basic comprehension. The way I would look at it is from an ACtO 10 point of view.

T=technical knowledge
R=risk

Low T, Low R - approval locally
Medium T low R or low T, Medium Risk - approved by SME,

High T & medium R /Medium T High R -Approved by SME, specific qual needed

High T & High R - does not happen.

You can’t account for every sport. You can just put a system in place to manage it.