Yup! JLs is like a “Sqn” with staff posted in as OC/Adj etc
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=511]We’ve always been told if everyone claimed 28 days then the budget would last 6 months, so unless the tooth fairy’s been around, I doubt there is that much surplus to up it by 25%.[/quote]One would assume that the people claiming more than 28 days would be a proportion of those already claiming 28 days. I’d guess someone looked at the amount left in the budget and the number of people who actually claimed 28 days and decided that they could afford to pay all (or perhaps some) of the 28-dayers for 35 days.
Does anybody know if the ban on claiming for Nijmegen has been lifted with the allocation of the extra pay days.
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I’ve always thought these bans on claiming for certain duties to be somewhat shortsighted.
As has been discussed it seems that the only plausable reason can be that they wish to deter people from only taking part in certain activities and not others. Frankly that just seems silly ; I doubt the reality of it is anything like that.
Invariably I claim my 28 and often a few more from the pool. Whether I claim them over 2 camps and two week long courses; or over 1 camp and various training days here and there is immaterial. I still end up doing the same duties as I would otherwise, regardless of which I’m being paid for and which I’ve run out of days for.
I’ve certainly attended at least one camp or week-long course per year which I’ve not been claiming for.
Conversely, there are activities like swimming and sport that I never attend because I couldn’t care less about them! I’m perectly happy to let those other staff who are keen to attend field them…regardless of any pay.
I’d imagine that most of us are the same. I see the same faces running courses, attending camps, and offering training regardless of whether they are claiming, have run out of days, or are inelligable to claim because the activity is exempt.
Those of us who enjoy getting involved regularly do so whether we’re being paid or not, and those who can’t be bothered or are unable to aren’t tempted by a little bit of pocket money.
It shouldn’t make a blind bit of difference when the days are claimed or for what.
[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=2766]
Those of us who enjoy getting involved regularly do so whether we’re being paid or not, and those who can’t be bothered or are unable to aren’t tempted by a little bit of pocket money.
It shouldn’t make a blind bit of difference when the days are claimed or for what.[/quote]
seconded!!
it does seem odd that those who put just as much effort and time in organising/supporting Wing sports events or managing a team are unable to clai when their colleagues running any other event can…
Had an interesting chat with an ACF Colleague who says they’ve been restricted to 21 PTD for 2012/13
Interesting; no given reason?
I wish I understood a bit more about the funding mechanisms in place for the cadet forces - i.e. what bits of money go where, what funds PTDs etc. Might make some decisions slightly more understandable!
Isn’t the ACF PTD funding directly linked to Army budgets, whereas ACO PTD is done via a budgetary allocation from the RAF (ie. here’s your total budget for your train set, off you go) which makes us less sensitive to knee-jerk changes or restrictions?
Not sure about the ACF, but that is my understanding for the ACO - although I’ve got no reference to say for definite!
[quote=“redowling” post=2774]Interesting; no given reason?
I wish I understood a bit more about the funding mechanisms in place for the cadet forces - i.e. what bits of money go where, what funds PTDs etc. Might make some decisions slightly more understandable![/quote]
Reason = not enough money in the budget!
i heard they werent getting paid at the moment, well last year…or was that 2011 and time flown by that quickly?
i heard they werent getting paid at the moment, well last year…or was that 2011 and time flown by that quickly?[/quote]
That was only for a few months back in 2010/2011. We do get paid at the moment. I am not 100% sure what we are restricted to at the moment but once we have used up our allocation of PTDs we can put in for unpaid days. If there is PTD money left over at the end (not all instructors use up their quota) those who have unpaid days recorded can be allocated extra PTDs. I am not sure how many counties do this mind you, not do I regularly check my pay to see if it actually happens!
Also, certain things (some brigade/national courses) do not count against our PTD limit.
[quote=“steve679” post=2768][quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=2766]
Those of us who enjoy getting involved regularly do so whether we’re being paid or not, and those who can’t be bothered or are unable to aren’t tempted by a little bit of pocket money.
It shouldn’t make a blind bit of difference when the days are claimed or for what.[/quote]
seconded!!
it does seem odd that those who put just as much effort and time in organising/supporting Wing sports events or managing a team are unable to clai when their colleagues running any other event can…[/quote]
The same applies to community events or always has done. I’ve done too many fetes and similar where you are there from 0700 to 1800, yet been flying and gliding or done AT things and been nowhere near as busy and get the money. Blimey flying/gliding turn up and depending on which lot are there I get to do the crossword and read the paper in full.
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=2797][quote=“steve679” post=2768][quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=2766]
Those of us who enjoy getting involved regularly do so whether we’re being paid or not, and those who can’t be bothered or are unable to aren’t tempted by a little bit of pocket money.
It shouldn’t make a blind bit of difference when the days are claimed or for what.[/quote]
seconded!!
it does seem odd that those who put just as much effort and time in organising/supporting Wing sports events or managing a team are unable to clai when their colleagues running any other event can…[/quote]
The same applies to community events or always has done. I’ve done too many fetes and similar where you are there from 0700 to 1800, yet been flying and gliding or done AT things and been nowhere near as busy and get the money. Blimey flying/gliding turn up and depending on which lot are there I get to do the crossword and read the paper in full.[/quote]
i know what you mean, the hours, particularly the earlier starts, is often out of proportion with other “paid” events but for a reason i cant really fully explain, not being paid on the community events i am not bothered by.
i guess part of it is down to being a Sqn (rather than Wing) organised event, and also the fact that the Sqn recieves a donation/“payment” (£100-300 per day depending on the event) for its efforts.
Regardless of who organises it, if there are no staff in attendance then it doesn’t happen.
It’s always struck me as odd that “citizenship” is part of the aims of the Corps and gettng cadets out and about like that are the only way of doing it and the “light blue footprint” thing, yet they don’t attract pay (ooops remuneration) or anything. The one thing that I like about the local commnity events are the positive comments about modern youth that we get from Joe Public. I find it odd that I’ve arranged and been on local area training, mostly based at a Sqn HQ and you get a day’s money for it.
[quote=“the silverback” post=588]I am going to ask the question
Can we claim pay for Nijmegen training again?[/quote]
On 14 Jan 13, Head of Physical Education at HQAC says YES! (Subject to annual review.)
Just thought I would bump this.
Is seems that we were talking about the same things 10 years ago 
Except this time the talk is of less rather than more.
Man leeroy is missed
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