If you could redesign the uniform, what would you add to it?

At least some of what we’ve been issued is from RN stock. If we
form up a flight in 2C there will be several shades of blue!

I think currently the 2C shirt is a joint venture with The RN, IIRC

You’re likely right. I do recall seeing RN on the labels of some we picked up.

Just become the Fleet Air Arm Cadets?

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Not any more. They replaced that order of dress with RNPCS.

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It changed in the mid 90s circa 95. The old style RAF working blue shirt had smaller buttons & similar to those used on the wedgewood shirt.

It then changed to the dark blue with large black buttons.

There was a batch of working blue that came in a over dark shade (nearly black) which may explain some of the recent discrepancies.

The working blue shirt is still technically a joint venture but it only supplies the sea cadet corps & RN Cadets.

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I stand corrected. I hadn’t thought about Sea Cadets.

Now you mention it, I’ve never seen an RAF working blue shirt other than on cadets.

That’s Coz techies all just turn up in shorts and flip flops and whack overalls on :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Won’t happen; there’d be too great a risk of actually getting some flying done.

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I actually did, once, at Benson. I should have stopped the guy for a photo to prove it.

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In my day (those of us of a certain age), it was worn by those with RAF Station rather than flying squadron roles and trades: stores, armouries and MT personnel, for instance.

With it went the inverse snobbery of people who work with their hands rather than in an office - the dark blue shirt was the symbol of the manual worker, like wearing a Donkey Jacket in civvy street in the 1970s or '80s, or these days, trousers with lots of tool pockets attached.

Those jobs in the era of Lightnings, Jaguars and Tornados have probably long been civilianised, if one was not on an operationally deployable unit or post, of course. :roll_eyes:

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I work in an office environment where even the techies (TG4) wear 2B. When I’ve been to flying stations, the techies tend to be wearing coveralls or PCS.

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I’ve noticed that the RAF blue/grey coveralls seem to have made a return from the 1980s, replacing the green ones: did someone find a forgotten stash of them in a stores hanger, whilst clearing out an RAF airbase that was going to be flogged off? :thinking:

Guys we should close this thread, apparently we don’t need to talk about uniform changes we would like, we can just do it!!

Like this Abomination, black Pace stick, Blue sash, all worn by a cadet that (at first glance) isn’t supposed to be wearing No 1s

Or A beret in No1, also not meant to be worn by those cadets

And my Favourite, the Tucked tie. If The Gp Capt’s tie is surviving yours will too Wg Cdr.

This just really irks me, because this is a clear case of certain (Not all) CCFs thinking that RAFAC rules don’t apply to them and it’s flipping annoying, especially when it’s on a public post on the new CAC’s instagram page

Edit: there were photos, Mod removed them

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We need to help our CCF brethren out, and get an ATC WO in there.

the ones near me are alright, but that’s because we collaborate with them a fair bit, it seems to be the ones that isolate themselves from the rest of the org

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Historically the rules didn’t as they were dress regs for the Air Training Corps. A lot comes down to the SSI & head/governors - it’s just how things are done especially if they have to give parity to the other services.

It’s closed & local to the unit - if it’s in public off site then a different matter but otherwise I wouldn’t worry about it.

These days it’s a struggle to kit any unit out on kit so if the look smart then fab. Correct dress regs - bonus!

Remember they’ve been RAF Air cadets a lot longer than the ATC have been :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Maybe rather than publicly shaming people you could offer to help them?

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I wear it quite a lot…