Hi,
I was wondering, in the dress regs (AP1358C) it states:
“The forage cap, which is an optional extra at own expense for Officers, WO (ATC) and SNCO (ATC) only…”
I was wondering if this is also referring to SNCOs in the CCF(RAF) also, not just atc? Does anyone know of any CCF(RAF) SNCOs who wear forage caps?
I am currently a JNCO, just wondering because some SNCOs in my section discussed it with me.
Thanks 
That rule refers to SNCO CFAV in the ATC which, I believe, the CCF(RAF) doesn’t really have.
Cadets don’t get to wear the thing.
Hi,
Are you a cadet? Forage caps are only optional extras for SNCO’s or Officers who are members of staff
@theoutlaw Yeah, I’m a cadet JNCO however some cadet SNCOs were discussing whether they were eligible for them and I was just wondering whether they could wear them. I know I definitely can’t. Thanks
They definitely can’t either.
Funnily enough I’ve had this exact discussion with another member of the CCF(RAF).
No cadet SNCO’s cannot wear them, let them know to re-read the dress regs, only SNCO (ATC) can wear them as an optional extra
Let’s be fair to the cadet here. He’s in the CCF(RAF) As far as I know they don’t have staff adult SNCOs, and if they did, they probably wouldn’t be called SNCOs (ATC). He doesn’t know that term doesn’t refer to cadet ATC SNCOs, only CFAV ATC SNCOs. He likely does not even know that SNCOs (ATC) are not actually cadets.
When you look at it through that prism, it’s not that ridiculous a question. It may even be something which a future version of the regs could clarify? As it’s obviously causing confusion in the other part of the ACO.
I think the working in the regulations are clear enough if you assume that the phrases used are understood by the person reading it. Making specific references even less ambiguous would probably require a change to many of the rules throughout the document.
I’m in 2 minds whether a glossary would be of value: what would it include? What would it not include? Would anybody look at it?
There is actually at least one RAF-badged SSI (ex-reg), a Sgt. I suspect he’d get away with one, therefore, though the rules didn’t envisage him.
Well yes, that’s kind of my point. The Regs actually assume a fair bit of knowledge, especially if you’re from the CCF.
Amen @Baldrick
As an ex-CCF cadet, I’m aware the knowledge they have is limited and through no fault of their own. Their exposure to the rest of the cadet forces is pretty low, and it’s a valid question.
@tmmorris you’re right in that the SSI could get away with one, but then they’d be following AP1358, not AP1358C, meaning they wouldn’t really be getting away per se, just following different regs
You are so right, I am that ex reg SNCO, now badged Sgt (RAF CCF). My MOD Form 90 says SGT (ATC) as there is no equivalent within the CCF (RAF). I’m paid by the school and not the military, I am not entitled to ANY claims or pay, not even home to duty. I am however allowed to wear the same uniform(s) as my SNCO ATC brothers. As for the chip hat, No thank you, did not wear one for 26 years and not starting now. I would look like a demented gnome from the 70’s. I await your grown up replies 
What do you wear in the way of gilt identified pins? Do they make them for CCF or do you have to wear ATC ones? I assume you are unique?! Am very curious never met a non army SSI!
Sumpy - I assume from your post that you work directly for a school and aren’t in a TEST SNCO post?
As you are aware, TEST SNCO’s don’t wear any pins as they are on a FTRS contract and don’t come under the same ACO TCOS as Sgt(ATC) do.
Grumpy,
I think we met at Bramley last October, by the Maintenance Building on the main drag (you were leaving as we were arriving) (and I’ve worked out where we’ve met before, at a RAFFCA club not far away)…
You are definitely entitled to 51 day’s SSI pay from the MOD per year. If they are trying to refuse it PM me and I will try to help. This has been confirmed again and again but sometimes it can be difficult to explain and it depends on correct setting up of WESTMINSTER and your JPA link.
Hi all,
I wear CCF pins, very nice they are too! My post at school is as an SSI, I’m not a TEST SGT although that was my last post (E2) in the RAF until SDSR in 2012, that should narrow who I am down a bit.
The pay thing is complex, as our school has two SSI’s, main SSI does Wpns, Westminster and all things armoury/range based. Where as I do Bader, training and paperwork for the RAF Section. So WO2 gets the 52 days from the Army and I get a daily rate of pay from the school. I was originally a CI at school but the Army rules reference Wpn trg meant I had to go back into uniform to train the Army Section.
daws1159 - that’s very kind of you assuming I’m unique - I think!
If you’re not the one I bumped into at Bramley then there’s another…
I knew there was another at a school in the midlands, he has since left. Going onto greater things! Which TEST Area are you in?
South Central (TEST Sgt is SC3).
I’ve also met a number of VRT SSIs: if they are rare, perhaps I’ve met every one.
EDIT:
I have a headgear question that relates back (almost) to the OP’s first point…(and this is not CCF(RAF) related, though it could be). Do WOs (Adult, ATC or indeed CCF(RAF)SSI ones) wear Offrs pattern forage caps, or ORs pattern forage caps?