OK, I wasn’t going to pursue this, but as you have continued.
Yes, a physical limitation plus doing aerobatics in the middle of a promulgated gliding competition which points to poor airmanship and possibly poor supervision. Inadequate lookout also featured in another accident.
I feel we should also ensure that BGA instructors should be subject to DBS and BASIC course. After some cadets in our wing went gliding two became friends on facebook with their pilot.
Just another thing to consider.
And did the work end, were the Police called, did the pilot abuse his position of power or was it an unpowered glider, did they all live happily ever after in a two up two down in Tewksbury.
That’s what happens in the real world. Just because FaceBook use the label Friend it doesn’t mean that they are friends in the traditional sense. It is just a was of keeping in contact that is easier than phoning or writing a letter.
DBS yes but seriously a BGA instructor doing a BASIC, that will be 8 hours of his life they will never get back.
Just throwing the spoon in, agreed with the BASIC being a bit of a bore.
DBS is a nice thing to have though.
Tewksbury, do people live there?? joking
BigSpoon
As a BGA instructor, I have flown with countless school and scout groups, I’ve even flown with special needs children and teenagers in the care of the local authority.
Not once was I asked if I had a DBS check. And indeed I don’t need one. You can hardly touch a kid when you’re in the back seat of a tandem glider.
The only time I was ever asked to have a DBS check was for flying air cadets, and indeed I now have one.
Having done a BASIC course as an Instructor cadet with the air cadets in the past. That’s is where I draw the line, and quite honestly, I wouldn’t take Air Cadets flying if there was a requirement for me to sit through a BASIC course.
I’m sure other BGA pilots and instructors will say the same thing.
As far as I’m concerned, the Air Cadets shouldn’t get to influence the policies of another extremely successful organisation (check out BGA Junior Gliding) because of its own failures.
I am truly amazed! I agreed with everything that BigSpoon put in his last post.
It wasn’t **BigSpoon’**s post!! :-o
I really do apologise, I really must learn to read more carefully!
We really go over the top with some of the requirements. DBS for gliding - really? I guess you could talk “dirty” to them - fancy a spin or a cable brake? 
Seriously, we throw enough obstacles in the way, without adding superfluous ones. The ACO should be utilising the BGA’s experience rather (as seems to be the case with 2FTS?) than ignoring it.
Here’s a (simplistic) solution - can the VGS system (= no requirement for 2FTS = separate saving) - allocate the monies saved to the BGA to their Youth Gliding Centres. Gift the gliders (once “repaired”) + new winches to the BGA. Gift Syerston to the BGA. Agree a suitable (funded) transition for VGS instructors to become BGA instructors. Cadets get to fly at BGA Youth Centres (the funding would allow more to be set up). Everyone happy…
If VGS staff can loose the DBS checks happy days, then the rest of the ACO can follow suit 
Oh but how would the ACO be assured that the staff are suitable? I guess we could just tick the no box and ask for more trust.
Mr Jenvey, you should me an advisor to Air Command. You have the best ideas and can I just say I love it when you talk dirty.
You mentioned Wittering before, the Tutors I see there are they EFT and AEF? I know they are providing but EFT but the lack of AEF seems to keep being mentioned, nice station Wittering.
I love the idea. No, really.
Two points, why would the BGA want Syerston? and it always used to be that a “B” Cat instructor (old “B” Cat, not the new name for a “C” Cat) could be accepted for a BGA Assistant Cat after an acceptance flight with the CFI of the club. I don’t think it has changed.
Passenger carrying ratings were always in the gift of the CFI.
2FTS aren’t doing anything useful with it!
edited as I have lost the will to have a pop at the lack ATC gliding anymore.
Rant mode on
It is clear that the rank and file are being treated with the greatest of contempt and derision in relation to this issue. There needs to be some communication from the Commandant or 2FTS to the volunteers whether good or bad so all of the rumours, speculation and back biting and stop. We need to know what the future is going to be. Bad news is better than no news. At least we will know that those at the top have some respect for what we are going through in trying to keep cadets and give an interesting and varied training program without what a large chunk of what being an AIR CADET is all about.
Rant off
THere has been communication - that being they are forbidden from saying something as it’s linked to the DIO review. That’s ministerial. You are barking at the wrong postmen!
As a sqn commander there has been on communication to me via the CoC for months.
That’s an issue for your wing fella. We have had info cascaded along these lines.
There was a missive posted on here from CAC favourite way to communicate on the gliding paused thread. But it reads as another way for HQAC and 2FTS to be able to shoo the issue away and fob off / dismiss any questions, so they can get on with their ever extending tea breaks and coming up with even more banal policies to keep us loaded with admin stuff, rather than treat the young people and volunteer staff in organisation with respect.
Does the latest changes to ACTO35 - mean if the correct procedures, afflications and boxes are ticked, then cadets can have Air Experience Flights at local gliding schools?:
Following taken from ACTO 35
"1. To provide air safety assurance and execute our duty of care to the cadets, the Air Cadet
Organisation (ACO) will only authorise cadets to fly, in non-service aircraft (ac), including gliders,
utilising non-public funds, in the following circumstances:
a. Flights by operators of commercial passenger carrying services.
b. Flights by operators of approved flying clubs and flight training organisations, listed in
CAA Approved Training Organisations Document.31, v 118, flown by CAA Flying Instructors
in aircraft with a Certificate of Airworthiness and current Airworthiness review certificate.
c. Flights at British Gliding Association (BGA) Affiliated Clubs, flown by BGA
Gliding Instructors in aircraft with a Certificate of Airworthiness and current
Airworthiness Review Certificate. "
What are non-public finds? Can CivComs support this?
Yes. You can now use gliders.
Non-public funds are any you have raised yourself. Public funds are anything the tax payer shells out for.