Choose your rank structure!

[pEp]

Following on from the Canadian Air Force rank thread, I thought it might be fun if people designed their own rank structure for an Air Force.

You can add in uniforms and equipment too if you like

[tango_lima]

As mentioned above, it was originally proposed that the RAF ranks were to be derived from existing Royal Navy and Army ranks. Both services were consulted and both reacted unfavourably — the Navy unhappy about the use of its higher ranks and the Army complaining it provided the “junior ranks”. This resulted in a compromise whereby the officer ranks were proposed to be: ensign, lieutenant, flight leader, squadron leader, reeve, banneret, fourth ardian, third ardian, second ardian, ardian and air marshal. A further proposal was: ensign, lieutenant, flight-leader, squadron-leader, wing-leader, leader, flight ardian, squadron ardian, wing ardian, ardian, air marshal.

From wacky-pedia.

I love history.

[pEp]

I quite like the idea of being an Ardian!

[zinggy]

The only change I would make is get rid of SAC (T) but saying that when we reach the 100 year point its all just going to go Army anyway

[tango_lima]

@"zinggy" post=9364

The only change I would make is get rid of SAC (T) but saying that when we reach the 100 year point its all just going to go Army anyway

Every time I hear that from a soldier I like to remind them how Britain’s standing army has to be justified before parliament every few years since we’re not supposed to have one. Then remind them how we’re an island and the enemy has to come by sea or by air.

But, yes, more Ardians, please. And a dress uniform that looks less ‘post office’.

[SVS]

@"zinggy" post=9364

The only change I would make is get rid of SAC (T) but saying that when we reach the 100 year point its all just going to go Army anyway

Why get rid of it?

[pEp]

I’d change Fg Off and Plt Off to something that doesn’t make outsiders think that everyone in those ranks flies!

It’s much harder than I thought to create a new rank though!

[Mike_Bravo]

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[Perry_Mason]

@"tango_lima" post=9365

And a dress uniform that looks less ‘post office’.

How about something a bit Red Dwarf…

[papa_november]

@"tango_lima" post=9365

[quote=“zinggy” post=9364]The only change I would make is get rid of SAC (T) but saying that when we reach the 100 year point its all just going to go Army anyway

Every time I hear that from a soldier I like to remind them how Britain’s standing army has to be justified before parliament every few years since we’re not supposed to have one. Then remind them how we’re an island and the enemy has to come by sea or by air.

But, yes, more Ardians, please. And a dress uniform that looks less ‘post office’.[/quote]
Anyway since the British ‘Army’ has less than 100,000 personel, they’re techincally not an army but a defence force… :evil:

[cygnus_maximus]

I always think that whilst our No 1 uniform style generally looks ok, the colour is poor and it needs something to ‘show it off’. The colour should be darker blue (along the lines of the RAAF colour) and a ‘Sam Browne’ would finish it off. I remember seeing some pictures of RAF officers in India in the ‘20s or ‘30s wearing Sam Brownes and they looked good (Wilf might have them!). I also think that the high collared Army ‘Blues’ look really smart too - Bandsmen used to wear them, so why not others?

As for No 5s? Awful. Again, darker blue and while we’re at it, change the style for a high collar with plain front ‘Mandarin’ shirt like the Army Air Corps. Rank braid should be plain silver on the working blue uniform, gold on No1s and toned down for combats (as we’re seeing on MTP).

I also thought that the post about Blue Sashes which has now been locked, could have gone on a bit more. The Army’s crimson sash for officers is very smart and having worn the blue one when doing CAS ushering duties, it does make you feel different.

[cygnus_maximus]

Whilst we’re discussing ranks, why does the RAF not have a generic, gender-free, name for it’s personnel? By that I mean someone in the Navy is called a Sailor and someone in the Army is a Soldier - all gender free names; the RAF has AirMAN or AirWOMAN.

OK I know that the Service tends to use the term Airman for its fliers, but any ideas for a general name? Airperson is too PC!

[Mike_Bravo]

Use the Army Air Corps system and call them Air Troopers

[tango_lima]

Air Warriors!

HOOOOOAHHH!

[flago]

I like the idea of playing about with ranks and uniform of the RAF. If I had a pound for every time someone in the RAF says they wish there uniform was more like the RN I would be on my way to a miniature fortune.

The Blue grey thing use to work but it needs modernising. Like the idea of darker blue, this would also make gold ranks (like the RN but negative curl) to work.

As for ranks, Plt Off and Flg Off should change as mentioned before. Another annoying thing for me is Air Vice Marshal, Air Marshal, Air Chief Marshal just doesn’t work to me always want to put the AM before the AVM. but Air Rear Marshal does not quite work. Any suggestions?

And before anyone mentions it no you cannot the ranks

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They grow out of the navy, space travels ours! we know how to operate ships.

[pEp]

[quote=“cygnus maximus” post=9376]Whilst we’re discussing ranks, why does the RAF not have a generic, gender-free, name for it’s personnel? By that I mean someone in the Navy is called a Sailor and someone in the Army is a Soldier - all gender free names; the RAF has AirMAN or AirWOMAN.

OK I know that the Service tends to use the term Airman for its fliers, but any ideas for a general name? Airperson is too PC![/quote]

Squadronaire?

[zinggy]

@"sirvicalsmeer" post=9366

[quote=“zinggy” post=9364]The only change I would make is get rid of SAC (T) but saying that when we reach the 100 year point its all just going to go Army anyway

Why get rid of it?[/quote]

To be honest I dont see the point in it why do you need to show someone is a tech trade when are an SAC I could understand it with JT as it is a higher rank than SAC but SAC’s are SAC’s no mater the trade I rememeber a new SAC (T) trying to tell one of my guys what to do as he was a " higher rank" both were SAC’s.

that turned into a rant sorry!

[landingsquare]

Well our most ceremonial uniform is a bit drab really. We should at least nick the Musician’s clothes, or bring back (and modernise) the Full Dress Uniform the RAF had in the 1920s.

And the women… well, No. 5 + woman = frumpy nun.

But the ranks are okay…except Chief Technician, which seems to exist in it’s own little world of tech.

[Mike_Bravo]

I thought SAC(T)'s had attained operational performance standard and can work unsupervised whereas a standard SAC requires an JT or above to supervise their work.

[cygnus_maximus]

Air Troopers

Air Warriors!

How about

Army have SoldiERS

Navy have SailORS

Air Force have AirERS! :lol: