Opinions.
x1 Chin Strap or is x2 acceptable?
opinion: As issued.
Yeahā¦ Mine has two, QCS Style. I did do two tours of QCS.
No such thing as the CBS(Cadet Banner Sqn). So why relive your RAF service in the ATC.
Shall I remove my medals then?
[quote=AP1358C]0211. Hat.
a. Officers, RWO / WWO. Are to wear officer No 1 SD hat or the airmenās No 1 SD hat with appropriate badge, or optional forage cap.
b. WO / SNCO (ATC). Are to wear a beret; airmenās No 1 SD hat and forage cap are optional for WO / SNCO (ATC). However, these have to be purchased from non-service sources and must be of a current service pattern but not QCS style.[/quote]
Is this a wah?
Forgive me but is this not a bit of a non-issue?..
[quote=āStand Outā post=5397]Forgive me but is this not a bit of a non-issue?..[/quote]Itās certainly non-issueā¦
To some losers it is an issue!
My opinion is that so far as the RAF are concerned itās a case of āwho cares!?ā so crack on.
Two chinstraps might have originated as a QCS thing. They wear their chinstrap down more often and it was decided to add a second as the hat looks a bit bare without one on the front, but itās no longer only QCS.
Iāve seen RAF chaps of different ranks and different trades with two on their hat.
If the RAF donāt consider it a problem, why should the ATC?
I really do think we as a organization should look to the parent service more often for guidance/precedent/objection before we get a sad-on over things (not only dress related issues, but all āproblemsā).
[quote=āwdimagineer2bā post=5400]My opinion is that so far as the RAF are concerned itās a case of āwho cares!?ā so crack on.
Two chinstraps might have originated as a QCS thing. They wear their chinstrap down more often and it was decided to add a second as the hat looks a bit bare without one on the front, but itās no longer only QCS.
Iāve seen RAF chaps of different ranks and different trades with two on their hat.
If the RAF donāt consider it a problem, why should the ATC?
I really do think we as a organization should look to the parent service more often for guidance/precedent/objection before we get a sad-on over things (not only dress related issues, but all āproblemsā).[/quote]
The QCS hat is taller, so it;s slightly more than solely a chin-strap issue. The AP is actually silent on the question of whether you can add a second chin strap, (in that it doesnāt say you canāt.) But it is very clear that it has to be a standard issue WOs hat.
Any one remember the Queens Jubilee River Pageant? Remember the weather?
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Best pic I can find atm
See the RN Officer on the bow? No chin strap used by anyone there. Caps lost in 2 weeks, 0.
Please tell me why you need 2 straps when there is not a need to use it.
[quote=āBaldrickā post=5401]
The QCS hat is taller, so it;s slightly more than solely a chin-strap issue. The AP is actually silent on the question of whether you can add a second chin strap, (in that it doesnāt say you canāt.) But it is very clear that it has to be a standard issue WOs hat.[/quote]
I wasnāt refering to the wearing of QCS hats, but of wearing two straps on an airmans cap. As I say, there are pleanty of regular RAF who have two and noone seems to consider it a problem.
Why then it is treated by some in the ACO as being akin to turning up with para wings, commando dagger, and an unearned MBE on your uniform is beyond meā¦ if the RAF arenāt worried by itā¦ 
Playing devils advocate for a momentā¦Itās not all about āneedā though is it. My trousers stay up on their own, I donāt āneedā a belt with them. I certainly donāt āneedā a stable belt either.
But then, Guards Regiments donāt āneedā big bearskin caps. The Royal Navy donāt āneedā bell bottom trousers; RAF DIs donāt āneedā ammo boots, but theyāre issued themā¦
Lack of a percieved āneedā is not grounds to dismiss something.
However, the first time I saw someone other than QCS wearing two straps was at Linton. Some chap came out of the Sgtsā mess on a windy day and very nearly lost his hat. He quickly whipped down the strap at the back and his hat was secure.
Having had to reach up to grab my own hat from blowing off in the past that struck me as a bloody logical idea.
I just looked at my SD hat I was issued about 3-4 years ago while in the RAF it has two straps on it and I didnt add one really dont know if my previous had one or two
[quote=āwdimagineer2bā post=5404]
However, the first time I saw someone other than QCS wearing two straps was at Linton. Some chap came out of the Sgtsā mess on a windy day and very nearly lost his hat. He quickly whipped down the strap at the back and his hat was secure.
Having had to reach up to grab my own hat from blowing off in the past that struck me as a bloody logical idea.[/quote]
so he wasnt wearing the CHIN strap in the correct postion then?
however i did not realise it was that time of the year (again!)
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Maybe there should beā¦
coughAll the DI drill monster bores could be banished there.cough
Who said that? :whistle:
Joking aside, maybe it would be a good idea.
My personal opinion is that we should have a āCadet Colour Squadronā who promote the blue footprint to the wider community especially at national level.
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We have Lord Lieutenants Cadets who assist the LL.
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We have JLās who promote the green side of the Corps.
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We have QAICās who specialise in teaching aviation subjects.
But we have nothing for the drill geekery that reside amongst us. Some of whom are actrually quite good at it.
What Iām suggesting is not that the adult instructors or cadets themselves should start dressing like QCS with ammo boots, sashes and tall hats but a national continuity drill display team that parade with wpns. The wpns are not to look warry with but a tool with which to aid the drill sequence, promote working as a team, manual dexterity and personal co-ordination.
I can already hear the cries of the politically-correct saying that weāre glorifying war and letting kids run amok with wpns but they - as far as Iām concerned - can poke their comments up their hoop. Hopefully, if theyāre good at it, theyāll all do it at the same time and without any words of command.
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[quote=āGunnerā post=5433]My personal opinion is that we should have a āCadet Colour Squadronā who promote the blue footprint to the wider community especially at national level.[/quote]We have - it is called London Wing.
It works well for our collegues in Hong Kong; and they are bloody smart!
Hong Kong, with an area 2/3 that of greater London and a roughly comparable population.
I think a ānationalā team is a bit much to ask and even a wing team may be tricky to coordinate.