Chin Strap- No1 SD Hat

merlin456 · 25 March 2013 12:37

Opinions.

x1 Chin Strap or is x2 acceptable?

incubus · 25 March 2013 12:52

opinion: As issued.

merlin456 · 25 March 2013 13:03

Yeah… Mine has two, QCS Style. I did do two tours of QCS.

Mr_OZ · 25 March 2013 13:18

No such thing as the CBS(Cadet Banner Sqn). So why relive your RAF service in the ATC.

merlin456 · 25 March 2013 13:24

Shall I remove my medals then?

Baldrick · 25 March 2013 15:23

[quote=AP1358C]0211. Hat.
a. Officers, RWO / WWO. Are to wear officer No 1 SD hat or the airmen’s No 1 SD hat with appropriate badge, or optional forage cap.
b. WO / SNCO (ATC). Are to wear a beret; airmen’s No 1 SD hat and forage cap are optional for WO / SNCO (ATC). However, these have to be purchased from non-service sources and must be of a current service pattern but not QCS style.[/quote]

Is this a wah?

Stand_Out · 25 March 2013 15:39

Forgive me but is this not a bit of a non-issue?..

MattB · 25 March 2013 15:43

[quote=“Stand Out” post=5397]Forgive me but is this not a bit of a non-issue?..[/quote]It’s certainly non-issue…

SVS · 25 March 2013 16:11

To some losers it is an issue!

wdimagineer2b · 25 March 2013 16:21

My opinion is that so far as the RAF are concerned it’s a case of “who cares!?” so crack on.

Two chinstraps might have originated as a QCS thing. They wear their chinstrap down more often and it was decided to add a second as the hat looks a bit bare without one on the front, but it’s no longer only QCS.
I’ve seen RAF chaps of different ranks and different trades with two on their hat.

If the RAF don’t consider it a problem, why should the ATC?

I really do think we as a organization should look to the parent service more often for guidance/precedent/objection before we get a sad-on over things (not only dress related issues, but all ‘problems’).

Baldrick · 25 March 2013 16:41

[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=5400]My opinion is that so far as the RAF are concerned it’s a case of “who cares!?” so crack on.

Two chinstraps might have originated as a QCS thing. They wear their chinstrap down more often and it was decided to add a second as the hat looks a bit bare without one on the front, but it’s no longer only QCS.
I’ve seen RAF chaps of different ranks and different trades with two on their hat.

If the RAF don’t consider it a problem, why should the ATC?

I really do think we as a organization should look to the parent service more often for guidance/precedent/objection before we get a sad-on over things (not only dress related issues, but all ‘problems’).[/quote]

The QCS hat is taller, so it;s slightly more than solely a chin-strap issue. The AP is actually silent on the question of whether you can add a second chin strap, (in that it doesn’t say you can’t.) But it is very clear that it has to be a standard issue WOs hat.

flago · 25 March 2013 17:07

Any one remember the Queens Jubilee River Pageant? Remember the weather?

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Best pic I can find atm

See the RN Officer on the bow? No chin strap used by anyone there. Caps lost in 2 weeks, 0.

Please tell me why you need 2 straps when there is not a need to use it.

wdimagineer2b · 25 March 2013 17:17

[quote=“Baldrick” post=5401]
The QCS hat is taller, so it;s slightly more than solely a chin-strap issue. The AP is actually silent on the question of whether you can add a second chin strap, (in that it doesn’t say you can’t.) But it is very clear that it has to be a standard issue WOs hat.[/quote]
I wasn’t refering to the wearing of QCS hats, but of wearing two straps on an airmans cap. As I say, there are pleanty of regular RAF who have two and noone seems to consider it a problem.

Why then it is treated by some in the ACO as being akin to turning up with para wings, commando dagger, and an unearned MBE on your uniform is beyond me… if the RAF aren’t worried by it…

Playing devils advocate for a moment…It’s not all about ‘need’ though is it. My trousers stay up on their own, I don’t ‘need’ a belt with them. I certainly don’t ‘need’ a stable belt either.
But then, Guards Regiments don’t ‘need’ big bearskin caps. The Royal Navy don’t ‘need’ bell bottom trousers; RAF DIs don’t ‘need’ ammo boots, but they’re issued them…

Lack of a percieved “need” is not grounds to dismiss something.

However, the first time I saw someone other than QCS wearing two straps was at Linton. Some chap came out of the Sgts’ mess on a windy day and very nearly lost his hat. He quickly whipped down the strap at the back and his hat was secure.
Having had to reach up to grab my own hat from blowing off in the past that struck me as a bloody logical idea.

zinggy · 25 March 2013 22:05

I just looked at my SD hat I was issued about 3-4 years ago while in the RAF it has two straps on it and I didnt add one really dont know if my previous had one or two

duty_pongo · 25 March 2013 22:52

[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=5404]
However, the first time I saw someone other than QCS wearing two straps was at Linton. Some chap came out of the Sgts’ mess on a windy day and very nearly lost his hat. He quickly whipped down the strap at the back and his hat was secure.
Having had to reach up to grab my own hat from blowing off in the past that struck me as a bloody logical idea.[/quote]

so he wasnt wearing the CHIN strap in the correct postion then?

however i did not realise it was that time of the year (again!)

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tango_lima · 26 March 2013 11:43

Maybe there should be…

coughAll the DI drill monster bores could be banished there.cough

Who said that? :whistle:

Joking aside, maybe it would be a good idea.

Gunner · 26 March 2013 15:42

My personal opinion is that we should have a ‘Cadet Colour Squadron’ who promote the blue footprint to the wider community especially at national level.

We have Lord Lieutenants Cadets who assist the LL.
We have JL’s who promote the green side of the Corps.
We have QAIC’s who specialise in teaching aviation subjects.

But we have nothing for the drill geekery that reside amongst us. Some of whom are actrually quite good at it.

What I’m suggesting is not that the adult instructors or cadets themselves should start dressing like QCS with ammo boots, sashes and tall hats but a national continuity drill display team that parade with wpns. The wpns are not to look warry with but a tool with which to aid the drill sequence, promote working as a team, manual dexterity and personal co-ordination.

I can already hear the cries of the politically-correct saying that we’re glorifying war and letting kids run amok with wpns but they - as far as I’m concerned - can poke their comments up their hoop. Hopefully, if they’re good at it, they’ll all do it at the same time and without any words of command.

incubus · 26 March 2013 15:52

[quote=“Gunner” post=5433]My personal opinion is that we should have a ‘Cadet Colour Squadron’ who promote the blue footprint to the wider community especially at national level.[/quote]We have - it is called London Wing.

wdimagineer2b · 26 March 2013 19:05

It works well for our collegues in Hong Kong; and they are bloody smart!

incubus · 26 March 2013 20:20

Hong Kong, with an area 2/3 that of greater London and a roughly comparable population.
I think a “national” team is a bit much to ask and even a wing team may be tricky to coordinate.