Then why not just make everyone above 18 staff. Job done. Your supposedly an adult at 18 anyway.
And I’m not expecting that you need to be qualified for certain things and I would expect certain topics to be required for uniformed staff and not CIs but to try and push everyone down the uniform route doesn’t work.
That’s a whole different topic. Don’t go there in this thread please.
Fixed that for you.
Actually, it’s you’re legally at 18…
I’ll fix his facts but not his grammar and spelling!
I would suggest that 18+ cadets do more purely because in this mish-mash, cock-eyed set up, they are still cadets and that hold and the expectations we put on them to attend is still there.
If on reaching 18 we said, OK what time can you commit and they said once a fortnight or one week in every 3, not different to many adult staff. But we don’t do this and treat them like adults, we treat them cadults, neither cadets or adults.
I’ve two cadets coming up to 18 and both have said they won’t be able to do two nights a week and weekends will depend on their jobs. Which is fine in my book, as this has been the case for the last 6-9 months. The adult SNCO isn’t keen as they are SNCOs, but I said they fit us in to their lives, just like we do as staff.
Once again Teflon you appear to be completely out of touch with reality.
You say “we don’t treat them as adults…” On what are you basing that massive sweeping generalisation?
Do you genuinely believe that you are the only person in the Corps who understands that 18 year olds have other commitments? The only person who will allow them to take time off? The only person who treats them like adults?
I’ll give you a clue… You’re not.
You constantly bang on about how wrong the Corps is, about everything. Forever accusing the organisation of being cock-eyed, backwards, immovable and unjust.
It’s as though you live in a fantasy world where you are the lone warrior fighting for a struggling cause against every other CFAV - who must surely all be robotic idiots, because only YOU can be the sane saviour of the Corps…
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I’ve found your new profile photo…
Because those decorations encompassed the requirement to a) have a call-out liability and b) an annual training bounty based upon passing set criteria and c) to have completed a certain number of PTD’s.
I’ve always said that in my opinion, that is a demeaning process to put the volunteer through. I’ve never heard of any other long service medal having to be ‘applied for’ by the recipient when the time arises.
It’s almost akin to have the volunteer ‘begging’ for recognition and this is an area that should - again in my opinion - be reviewed soonest.
As I’ve often said on here, the process for my long gong in a previous world, was triggered on the due date. P File called for and examined. No charges on record - tick. Time-served - tick. No discips - tick. Fully deserving - tick and whatever other checks they do. Duly signed-off and I was informed one day that my medal had arrived on the unit.
I’m due a clasp to the CFM at the end of this month and I’m fully intending to apply for it. Why, if I feel so strongly about the process? Because I’ve bloody well earned it.
But I still feel the process should be automatic under the VoV project.
Absolutely.
I was chatting the other night with an ACF colleague who astounded that we have to apply.
He was recently notified that his CFM is being awarded. It hasn’t yet arrived but apparently they publish in some sort of internal announcement once it has been confirmed.
All done on his behalf by the local HQ - as it absolutely should be.
Though, it has apparently taken 18 months since he knew that he was eligible. Par for the course - mine took over 2 years from application to arrive (though that was partially delayed by three separate fusterclucks at different levels requiring resubmission).
I try to keep on top of my staffs entitlements for this very reason.
The awarding of CFMs and clasps is published in the London Gazette.
Indeed. Though I was interested to learn about it being published in the ACF Part 1 orders…
Nothing quite like that for us. When my CFM finally arrived at HQ two years late I just got an email asking whether I’d like it presented at an event in 9 months time or at a dinner in 13 months…
I asked them to just put it in the post to me and eventually I got it via the WWO about 2 months later.
I’m three months overdue for a clasp and not even an acknowledgement of receipt of the application.
Put my form on 6 weeks ago and not even an acknowledgement of receipt 
Was always said for undiscovered crimes, only joking honest.
That’s pretty good going.
I was eligible in Oct 2013 and it made the Gazette in April 2016; and as I say I had to push back against blatant stupidity to get it through at all.
The first time it was bounced by WHQ because our old E1 maintained her own spreadsheet with eligibility dates - but she hadn’t kept up to date with the changes in regulations (CI no longer being a ‘break in service’). So she decided that because her sheet said I wasn’t due, then I wasn’t due…
The second submission accompanied by a covering letter from my OC pointing out the correct regulations was never processed. It presumably ended up in the circular filing cabinet.
Eventually I resubmitted after she’d retired and it was processed. Then it came back from HQAC with a note written in red pen which read “Cadet service can only be counted over 18 years of age”… Well, duhhh… That’s why I’ve put “Cadet Service 18+” and it runs from the date of my 18th Birthday.
How something so simple can cause such confusion is beyond me… I’ve already done the maths for them on the blasted form all they’ve got to do is check my service is as I’ve stated. They haven’t got to calculate anything.
Applying for one’s own medal is bad enough - having to fight against administrative incompetence for it really takes the mickey.
Why did it go to the WWO when you’d requested it was posted to you, as the recipient?
I really don’t know mate.
I can only assume that someone didn’t want to post it and so it made its way to me by hand from a Flt Lt who gives a lot of WHQ assistance (you know who I mean) to the WWO and then to me when we ran a course together.
I hadn’t always been squeaky clean! I’d had a couple of ……er…… costly indiscretions as a young airman but they mysteriously disappeared…
I know exactly who you mean. I assume that WHQ, rather than shell out the couple of quid extra required for special tracked delivery, didn’t want it to get lost in the post.
FFS though, don’t the damn things get posted out to units from HQRAFAC?