Which bit of your perfectly legitimate organisational badge would you like to change?
“Yes”
Which bit of your perfectly legitimate organisational badge would you like to change?
“Yes”
And the use of GB in most cases is very discriminatory for those in NI - whilst not from NI myself, I can see why many choose to represent RoI when their own country doesn’t rightfully represent them!
and for the pedants out there, this is the “wrong” (ie not current, ie Tudor) Crown
It is just shorthand rather than discrimination though. It’s the same as not always saying ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’.
Generally speaking, the short forms of country names are derived from the specific or geographic element of the full formal name, rather than the generic element (kingdom, republic, etc.)
E.g. Referring to the UK rather than (Great) Britain is akin to calling China ‘the People’s Republic’ all of the time instead of ‘China’.
ETA: Does referring to the ‘United States of America’ discriminate against all of its territories?
But surely, if you have a name that’s inclusive for all and exactly the same length, why not use it?
Not really though. There’s a big difference.
That’s a choice for the people of that party to make.
For the people of NI, they deserve to be represented accordingly by the use of the correct name.
And that choice was made, in the full name, unlike other countries (there’s no ‘People’s Republic of China, and Tibet, and Hong Kong, and Macao’ or ‘United States of America, and Puerto Rico, the Marshall Islands, etc.) but short names are, you know, shorter.
Those examples don’t undermine the point.
How many non-metropolitan departments get name checked in the French Republic’s name, or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Denmark ‘and Greenland’, Norway ‘and Svalbard’, etc, etc?
how?
If someone talks about the Conservatives in a political sense it is know they are talking about the
Conservative and Unionist Party
someone using GB does not by the same measure suggest they are also talking about NI.
the “definitions” of GB and UK are different one with and one without NI so should not be and cannot be used interchangably and certainly not in “formal” communication (such as the badge above) that GB also means UK…GB is not shorthand for UK
GB or just Britain are indeed shorthand for the UK. That was my entire point. To suggest otherwise is to discriminate against the unionist community in NI by suggesting they are ‘less British’ than those of us from the mainland.
i fundamentally disagree completely when the terms are written down, even more so in a formal setting.
while casually/verbally Britain can/does include NI, it is lazy to do so - if trying to include NI, then UK should be used.
that badge is a “formal” communication rather than verbal - it is incorrect
When written down it’s really not. Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales.
Not to be confused the someone who’s British, which includes NI.
If you want to refer to the United Kingdom, we have a shorthand for that. UK. Not GB.
The fact they’ve gone the whole hog and written out Great Britain is beyond me. There’s no way that has ever referred to NI too.

Why has Ireland moved about 100 miles to the south west?
Also don’t forget the use of England as shorthand for GB, UK especially when spoken by a German character in a WW2 war film.
The red should be labeled ‘United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’. As I said earlier, a short form based on the generic element is suboptimal.
I feel that the c p g grey video is incoming…
Edited it add - just rewatched the video & Great Britain doesn’t include the Isle of Wight (although England does - it’s a separate island).
Well that will help me to sleep easier at night ![]()
This is why the pedantic insistence on ‘Great Britain’ only applying to a single island, when the united kingdom of Great Britain was formed from the kingdoms of England and Scotland (which included all their islands) is nonsense.
Similarly, taken to it’s logical conclusion, the argument that ‘Great Britain’ excludes Northern Ireland, when used as shorthand for the UK of GB&NI, implies that Wight, Scilly, the Hebrides, Shetland, Orkney, and many others are also excluded from the ‘Great Britain’ that is named in the country’s full name and are not included and that only the island of Great Britain and the province of Northern Ireland are.