Nijmegen is an elective activity though, where does it sit in the requirements for the org?
I understand it’s a great place to go and do the walks and there are numerous benefits in attending, I wish we could claim for everything we offer but there has to be a line somewhere surely?
Isn’t road marching part of.PTS, with Nijmegen as the gold standard?
but why draw it at Nijmegen when it’s one of 2 activities where Cadets can experience a foreign country and culture while also allowing them to interact with foreign militaries from all over the world
All of that whilst being a gold level PTS activity. As much as it’s not for me, I still think it’s a great activity.
I wonder if there is such a staff funnel to attend they know they will get staff without offering VA.
Reading the criteria it seems like the 4 marches listed are approved by default and the award can be given by doing other local stuff to meet the criteria.
NM25 was 100 marching places which worked out at 9 teams of 11 (2 Staff and 9 cadets) and 1 team of 12 (2+10). the support team was 9 staff. 27 staff in total. 27 x 8 = 216 days of pay. There was also 41 ACF they did not have any support staff and the RAFAC team was also duty cover for them as needed. There were also two FTRS staff attending a OF5 for assurance and a TSA who both stayed on Heumensoord.
Currently the only gold standard event.
It is difficult getting authorisation due to the climatic injuries issues.
It would be good to have a UK based Gold event but there is a lot of work in finding somewhere suitable and not getting bumped al last minute. Plus, 4x40km without the crowds and the atmosphere would be so much more difficult. .
But in the grand scheme of things, 216 days of VA is nothing; how much VA is being claimed for RIAT 
There is no cap on VA, except for the 28 days per person. How this is used should be down to the individual, not controlled by Region/HQAC. If someone wants to use against RM, so be it.
HQAC needs to delegate, or at least talk to OC Wings and those with an invested interest in activities; not what HQAC thinks the CFAV wants, or should be, doing.
Stupidity like this is yet another straw in the load; not much capacity left for many more here.
Is it not simply because it’s an overseas activity? We’ve had a restriction on claiming VA for overseas activities for a while now
We’ve been debating this today and I agree with this approach but it won’t ever be like that again I’m afraid.
This table also still seems incredibly clunky. We have Foundation, Non-Foundation and Discretionary. And yet you have varying levels of priority within those. So Foundation activities where some are ‘must’ and yet some are ‘must not’. Likewise, we have discretionary activities that vary from ‘must’ to ‘should not’.
I really struggle to make sense of this.
I think it was originally intended for paid staff for processing claims & then has been over extrapolated.
Am I correct that leading cadet (bronze) classification now requires a TG form?
I don’t get it 
back of the fag packet calculation ~400 days or somewhere in the region of £30-40k
Showing my workings:
on the basis our Region was “typical” with 12 Staff places, 6 regions = 72 Staff
assume all of these are on the “short” main camp (arriving Thursday, leaving Tuesday) = 6 days
72 CFAV x 6 days = 432 days for main camp
for neatness, lets say there are 28 CFAV on Extended so the total CFAV count is 100
Extended is 13 days (Saturday to the week Thursday)
28 CFAVs x 13 days = 364 days
total days = 796
on the assumption 50% of the 100 CFAVs are Uniformed, and all claim, that is ~400 days claimed for.
on the basis those 100 uniform staff are all Sgts getting @£77/day that is £77 x 400 days = £30,800
if all 100 uniform are Flt Lt @ £126/day, £126 x 400 days = £50,400!
is of course makes a lot of assumptions.
all the main camp attend on Thursday, rather than having a phased arrival on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
assumes 50% of CFAVs are CIs and thus won’t be claiming.
does not take into account the numerous Sqn Ldrs and Wg Cdrs attending (i pretty sure I know of three Wg Cdrs who attend and at least one Sqn Ldr, who obviously have a highly daily rate) and being senior persons attend more more than a “long weekend” main camp.
there are currently 6 persons on site today, for the final pick up of kit, all of which are uniformed staff - so is at least one day not accounted for. Some of those also are on site Wednesday, Thursday and Friday before the Extended camp arrive so another 3+ days not accounted for
On the spreadsheet is a column “TG21/22”
This is the additional consent form. A lot of the standardised consent is on the 3822a which reduces the admin.
In general you need a TG21/22 where there is a higher risk not covered in the 3822a such as over night or most AT.
The implication is that we need a TG form for bronze classification classroom training which seems nonsense.
Oh I see. Helps if I look at the spreadsheet 
Ill thought through things like that are probably why I’ve avoided looking at it. It’s weird that it even has a column for that, unless they’ve shadow changed the consent policy without telling anyone.
Is that just staff looking after cadets on the camp side of things. What about staff on stands, things like immersive tech team, influence team, recruiting and information stands etc
As we’re all capped at Fg Off it reduces it a bit but I take your point.
The 30k was based on a lower staff number estimate, and assuming 50% were CIs, and assuming the other 50% were only claiming Sgt rate.
Id say based on what @steve679 wrote out that the £30k is an absolute minimum, and is likely a fair chunk more.
And that’s just VA. Ask the transport and logistics will add up to a decent amount too.
not quite
i am pulling numbers out of thin air.
but yes, i am considering those on camp.
72 for main
28 for extended.
100 CFAV total.
ahh yes - of course. since since becoming a parent i haven’t been doing any activities to claim a F80 so missed that change as i haven’t put in a claim to notice!
edit: for completeness
400 days claimed at Fg Off @ £96/day = £38,400
absolutely this.
a “basic” coach for the neighbouring Wings I expected was likely in the region of £500 each way so for the likes of any Wings/Region outside of Bristol & Glos, Dorset and Somerset, ThamesValley, Warwickshire&Brum Wgs the coach alone would be well into four figures.
there is then the F1771s - not all staff travel on the Wing/Region coaches, particularly those on Extended camp. The Campsite Manager travels in from Norfolk which at 170 miles might only be a claim of £50 but that is just one of a dozen or more i expect who were travelling in by car for extended.