It’s an interesting thought! They could work quite well as ‘grades’ rather than ranks. So gaining them as and when you gain your classifications + some other qual. I wouldn’t be against the idea!
This however wouldn’t really work. It would cause a lot of confusion amongst the other cadet forces. Being a Cadet Cpl equivalent to Cadet RSM would be odd!
The ranks below L/Cpl are not ranks as such but more classification of grades all with the rank of aviator/private. We currently mirror this with our cadet classifications.
This was why J/Techs stopped having a single stripe because the rank wasn’t covered under Queens Regs. Inc this is why RAF CCF L/Cpls we’re called Jnr Cpls. Pity we didnt keep the term for regulars.
In terms of cadet &vs Adult ranks this is what the sea cadets do with their top cadet rank being Cdt PO.
However this takes it out of sync with the rest of the cadet forces and as we are moving more purple this is the opposite direction of travel for the cadet forces.
No reason why the ATC can’t have Cdt L/Cpl though & bring them back into line with the original RAF air cadets.
Yes, I must admit having ranked “grades” for cadets prior to their first promotion would be good, especially for ever so slightly increasing their sense of responsibility as they progress through the syllabus.
An brings us into line with the regular service, which can’t be a bad thing.
In the RAF, it’s only the RAF Regiment and RAF Police who really give their LCpls and Cpls any responsibility: in the other trades, any command or leadership appointments seemed to me to start at SNCO level.
In fact, the RAF Air Cadets give Cadet Corporals more opportunities to be leaders…they take parades and instruct younger members of the Corps, for starters.
I’ve thought this for a long time. Something that distinguishes the RAF from the other services is that our personnel below NCO rank do have badges of rank rather than the empty sleeves / shoulders of private soldiers. The same should be true for our cadets.
I’ve also had this thought, with the possibility of sgt as a transitional rank (cadet / staff cadet and CFAV).
I’m sorry but this simply isn’t correct. AR, AS2 and AS1 are separate ranks. AS1(T) might be a sub-rank /classification of AS1, but I’m not sure as we don’t have them in my profession. I fully expect AS2 and AS1 to be merged into a single rank with two classifications (like Royal Navy ABs) at some stage, but as things stand they are separate ranks, with badges of rank, and it is considered a promotion rather than re-grading.
Aviator isn’t a rank but a catch-all term akin to sailor or soldier to replace airman: it covers all ranks, including officers.
ATC should definitely have LCpls to align with CCF(RAF).
I would propose the following ranks, badges, and equivalencies:
Air Cadet Recruit (ACR) - from joining until the stage currently awarded a 1st Class Cadet badge. No badge.
Air Cadet (Class 2) (AC2) - from the stage currently awarded a 1st Class Cadet badge until completion of the current Leading Cadet syllabus. AS2 rank worn on rank slides.
Air Cadet (Class 1) (AC1) - replaces Senior Cadet badge. AS1 rank worn on rank slides.
As MAC is ATC only, needs some consideration around a consolidated syllabus. AS1(T) badge is available although, personally, I prefer the JT bath taps.
Good to know, thanks. Does that mean Advanced Training Certificate is now aligned with Senior Cadet as well? (I understand it used to be awarded for one of the Senior Cadet subjects.)
That appears to be your interpretation of a table, which nevertheless lists them all as separate ranks. However, they also explicitly state the following:
Absolutely. Although we regularly mobilise AS1 reservists into positions advertised as OR-3 (LCpl), as they are considered equivalent to Army LCpls in our profession.
You must have a similar situation with REME LCpls getting promoted after certain trade courses?