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Nope. No maintenance manual anywhere will have a chapter for “strip down engine stages & remove paint.”

Most engine blades (especially turbine section***) these days have almost microscopic cooling holes / channels - you can’t just dip blades in paint remover! The Rolls Royce Trent 700 must be in the region of £20M per engine; the main fan is about 97” in diameter.

This will be a huge amount of :pound::pound::pound: to repair.

*** did a tour of Rolls Royce engine plant that made the Tornado engines - the turbine blades operated at a hotter temperature than the melting point of the metal that they were made of!

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Does it make a differences that the engines are leased (or use to be)?

Dunno - there will still be a direct cost to the operator (insurer??) or lessor.

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It’s been there for a week so far…

Why havent we shipped out a dozen raf ref, who can stand guard 24/7 in pairs on shift… seems pretty basic to me.
If we dont trust the Indians that much of course…

Didn’t they want to buy the type anyway? Fly a few salespeople over?

Sounds like a job for the Air Security Force (RAFP, MPGS) rather than the Combat Readiness Force (RAF Regt).

Yeah that should standard scenario for AP1990 to be applied too which would be responsibility of the RAFP

Well Palestine Action are now officially a proscribed group. FAFO springs to mind

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I’m no fan of theirs, but this is authoritarian overreach which could have much wider implications for peaceful protest groups.

Lumping them into the same bill as 2 other organisations, which clearly do present violent threats, is just cowardice on the part of the government.

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They’re certainly not a peaceful protest group. They functionally destroyed two aircraft, one of which may well have been on standby for QRA.

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Which falls short of the definition of terrorism, the alleged offence for which they were proscribed. Their actions were not designed to kill or injure.

Given how frequently governments of all leanings call certain acts terrorist in order to ban them, we must be careful not to permit the dilution of the definition.

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Too late I’m afraid

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If the Russians destroyed our aircraft on the ground it would be an act of war, so it stands that if an hostile domestic group does the same thing we would consider an act of war then it’s terrorism.

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In principle, it might meet the criteria, as I linked above. But that should be for a court to decide. Not the Government.

And then, even if a court decides what those two did was terrorism, I don’t think the whole group and anyone who supports them should suddenly become illegal to exist. We have laws already to deal with individuals within a group who take things too far. As it stands, this is the only direct action we know of from this group. And they are being treated the same way as international terrorist organisations who are actively killing people. The two are not even close to the same.

Where in Terrorism Act does it say they their actions have to be designed to kill or injure? It includes serious damage and I would say £20M fits that bill to a T.

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Can I shock you? It’s the government that makes the law and the courts that enforce it, not the other way round

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The government writes the law, a court decides if someone has broken that law. No MP should be allowed to make that decisions on behalf of a court.

The terrorism act exists. Let the courts decide if those that damaged the aircraft have broken those laws.

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Proscription is one of those laws & it has to go through parliament.

The courts can only enforce the laws as voted on & expressed through parliament.

It is part of our legal process that parliament is sovereign & can pass any laws provided it goes through the due process

Bill of Attainder is an old process not used for a while but could still be used & proscripting is a modern version of that.

It should be said that this isn’t a one off incident by the group but a series of escalations some of which have been exceptionally violent

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