I think those CFAV who feel they should have the right to wear a “civilian” flying badge are clearly in the organisation for the wrong reasons. Badges are for Cadets, it’s to identify and award the Cadet’s achievements, not theirs.
If they are so passionate about aviation, perhaps they should volunteer their time on one of the VGS units and put their flying experience to good use. They’ll even get a fancy badge to show their friends.
The wearing of the Glider Pilot badge on the breast of the jersey only applies to CFAV and RAF personnel - Cadets that have been awarded Glider Pilot Badge do not wear them on the breast of the jersey, but on the patch.
Might’ve been possible before they shut a good number of VGS’s and removed capability for places like NI and Wales… 
it will only happen when it happens in the regulars…
as CFAV “rank” has no distinction on other skills gained from other hobbies, it would not be inconceivable to see a Sgt with “Wings” which simply doesn’t happen in the regular forces.
for it to occur in the RAFAC i could imagine would raise lots of questions should it be noticed the “wings” don’t match the rank…
You already have Sgts with wings if attached to a VGS though don’t you?
ahh yes - fair point.
I have never seen one, our local VGS (now closed) only had VRTs as pilots, I don’t recall seeing any SNCOs on their team except the Cadets themselves.
Aren’t the “aircrew” SNCOs as VGS staff a new-ish thing? I think it came around at the same time as the RAFAC rank slides.
the aircrew rank slide yes…but SNCO (ATC) could still be Staf on VGS as i understand it - not that I ever saw them
You forgot the AAC who have NCO pilots.
Pre Pause, VGS was CGI or Officer
SNCO Aircrew is new and part of the drive to eliminate CGI
There was nothing in regs to say SNCO(ATC) could not be supernumerary to the VGS. And therefore could also get qual’d
I had a Sgt ATC on my former Sqn who had gliding wings and was on 618 VGS. That was back in 2006\7.
not forgotten, not included.
i was thinking of the occasion when a 21 yr old Sgt , with pilot wings could be sat in No2 in the mess - an odd situation for anyone else in that room seeing a young SNCO without the aircrew additions to the rank slide, with pilot “Wings”
how are ACC pilots identified? do they even wear wings on their PCS uniform?
We have our own air force? Where do I sign?
They wear wings, ask Prince Harry.
Where do ACO NCO pilots sit in relation to Haddon Cave report, as commissioned pilots have retained VRT status to come under MAA regulations as they have to sign for an aircraft same as an NCO pilot?
The reason why VR(T) was retained in that in order to fly civilian aircraft (the Grob Tutors have civilian registrations, not military serials), the crew must be ‘military’ unless they hold a civilian pilot’s licence - this is a requirement of the Air Navigation Order.
As the CFC is not a military commission volunteer AEF aircrew has to retain their military VR(T) commissions to remain legal.
Viking gliders are military aircraft and can therefore be flown by whoever the military deem fit, including Cadets, CGIs, RAFAC NCOs and RAFAC CFC Officers.
With changes to the CFC etc, these people no longer come under military law and are ‘civilians’ so therefore any prosecution for negligence would have to be under civil law not military and in accordence with CCA not MAA regulations. And they may not hold a civil licence in this situation.
Indeed, so I suspect the days of VGS staff being VR(T) are numbered. 2FTS might have preferred it but there is no cogent reason; unlike AEF where the military status is required as some of the pilots are ‘unqualified’ to fly civilian aircraft.
VGS staff aren’t VRT they’re CFC just like everyone else.
2FTS retained a handful of VRT (8) to fly the tug aircraft which is civilian registered