AT Quals and the Faff that is

That does virtually no flying.

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We have all the rest.
Classification
Sim
Model flying
Etc etc

I know not glamorous.
But 90% of the classification syllabus is aviation themed. For a reason.

You missed the point.

The bold one at the top of the page called the ā€œTopic Titleā€.

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You can say that againā€¦

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Lol. Auto spell corrector nonsense

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If you insist.

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Nerd stuff for nerding in the sqn on nerd nights. :grin: :grin: :grin:

Weā€™re talking about doing the really fun stuff in the outside. Letā€™s get back to how really hard it is to get an AT qualification #sarcasm :grinning:

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So hard. Iā€™ve been sat here for months and no on has given me a certificate.

On a serious note, Iā€™m not in the AT world and have learned a lot in this thread. Weā€™ve got our first member of staff for a numbers of years going through to get their at least their LLA at the moment but may go for HML.

Up until the investigation and discussions for their planning, and then reading through a number of AT threads on ACC and finding out more, I shared many of the (mostly) dispelled views that people have about AT Quals.

It will be low down as Iā€™ve got some higher priority courses to get through first, but something AT related might go on my to-do list.

Which ones remain?

This is what it all boils down to - peopleā€™s priorities. Some people wonā€™t prioritise getting an AT qualification because they donā€™t see the value, therefore they donā€™t want to commit the time. To generate more leaders this subset of CFAVs need bringing on with enjoyable experiences that allow them to see the value of what it can provide, and give them an impetus to commit time. This is what some refer to as the ā€˜big ticketā€™ camp or expedition because they possibly donā€™t understand the reasons behind it. Itā€™s not just a jolly - itā€™s about inspiring people.

Itā€™s also understanding the need for short-term pain for long term gain, or having a strategic view for your unit. If a CFAV canā€™t drive cadets to a sports event or a flying slot becuase they are out getting some days in towards an assessment then that needs to be viewed as OK because although some cadets may miss out in that instance, down the line with a qualified member of staff those cadets and potentially many more will benefit from increased AT opportunities.

Iā€™d also be interested in a summary of what youā€™ve learned from this thread - if only to see what the key points are!

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Obviously the big one is the time-consuming element so I was more getting at ā€œit still takes some timeā€, and from what I gather the currency requirements arenā€™t as bad as believed either.

With other commitments and keeping currency in other areas, my main concern has been the old ā€œyouā€™ve got a qual, you must use it at every opportunityā€ attitude and getting sucked into various wing things.

In short, I may go LLA/HML route, but if we can continue to build on what weā€™ve developed so far (weā€™ve been far from an AT sqn for many years and tbh have struggled to sell AT opportunities in part due to not fully understanding them) and maintain a level, then I may look at something else instead.

Happy to talk specifics about our unit past and plans in PM.

Where is that? I feel like I recognise it.

Didnā€™t want to create a whole new thread but just as a heads up for the climbers on the forums, Beal has a recall out for some of their Birdies.

@redowling Not sure if this has been widely published?

First Iā€™ve seen. Ping it up to Andy and heā€™ll probably send it out Corps wide.

Resurrecting this thread to ask a question, but saw the below and wanted to comment on that too.

I had an amazing week of paragliding as a CWO about two months before I aged out, one of my favourite memories of my time as a cadet. Would be all for expanding provision.

The actual question I wanted to ask was about MIAS. Hypothetically speaking could you do the courses on a gravel bike as opposed to an actual mountain bike? I canā€™t really justify buying a mountain bike on top of my other bikes, but am still looking for a new road bike and have considered a gravel bike/cross bike as a more versatile option than a full road machine. Iā€™ve heard the level 1 course is pretty tame, but would be good to know if thereā€™s an official line.

Iā€™m not aware of a limitation so long as the bike is capable of managing the terrain the instructor will be leading on.

I know people have done it on fully rigid bikes before so not far off a gravel setup.

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You would probably get away with it on a Level 1 Course , not so sure about Level 2 as itā€™s more technical and means you need to be able to do more with the bike.

I suppose as long as you can do what you need to do it would be fine.

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Thanks both, thatā€™s what I was thinking.

Iā€™m keen to do the level 1 course just to be able to take cadets out on bikes. Not personally hugely passionate about mountain biking so not too concerned about the level 2 at the moment.

Absolutely!
Level 1 is low-level terrain, with few potential hazards, i.e. country parks, canal towpaths, and non-wilderness areas where help is almost immediately accessible. Includes blue forest trail routes.

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Yep, what everyone else said. If you can ride a blue trail at your local trail centre on your gravel bike then youā€™d be fine.

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Hereā€™s one for those with MIAS :stuck_out_tongue: Canal paths can be dangerous too :smiley:

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