Hi guys, my IC told me the other day that if I reach Sergeant and complete my AGT (providing the gliders get ungrounded any time soon) that I could wear Sergeant Aircrew slides as opposed to the standard Sergeant slides, anybody know if that’s true or under what conditions it can be?
Cheers
Not true.
Now, RUN, QUICK, before the others see this thread and start attacking you.
Attack him? No! Made me chuckle though! I wonder how long it will be before this idea gains momentum through the organisation? :lol:
Go on, it’ll be a laugh 
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Please (politely) tell your IC that he is (very!) wrong - such slides are ONLY for non-commissioned aircrew serving in the RAF.
Aircrew rank slides are only permitted to be worn by RAF personnel who are “breveted” - I used to be an AEOp (a long time ago - the trade is now known as WSOp), & it was over one year of training before being issued with the rank as substantive & gaining the AEOp brevet.
Currently, the branches for non-commissioned aircrew are:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/job-categories/non-commissioned-aircrew/
I wonder how many variations of “no” we are going to get.
Nope.
Nada.
Negative.
Good wind-up though
[quote=“justanotherccfkid” post=19929]Hi guys, my IC told me the other day that if I reach Sergeant and complete my AGT (providing the gliders get ungrounded any time soon) that I could wear Sergeant Aircrew slides as opposed to the standard Sergeant slides, anybody know if that’s true or under what conditions it can be?
Cheers[/quote]Yes.
Just go to stores with your certificate and ask for them.
Could you also pick me up a long stand whilst you’re there?
And whilst you’re there, could you sign-out a 3m Fallopian Tube as well?
[quote=“Plt Off Prune” post=19931]Not true.
Now, RUN, QUICK, before the others see this thread and start attacking you.[/quote]
I think everyone is being quite gentle for a change. Must be the warm weather.
And whilst you’re there, could you sign-out a 3m Fallopian Tube as well?[/quote]
And a bucket of prop wash !
And whilst you’re there, could you sign-out a 3m Fallopian Tube as well?[/quote]
And a bucket of prop wash ![/quote]Shouldn’t you be sweeping the glide-path? 
I suppose I should get the MTP paint at the same time? and thanks guys, I’m glad I didn’t ask my OC now
Hang on - you said in your initial post that your IC told you that you could wear these fairy-tale slides but your post above, suggests that you’re glad you didn’t ask him!
Which is it?
My section IC (a cadet) said they were wearable, and Im glad I didn’t ask my OC/CO (an ex herc pilot)
Shock horror. After passing my flying scholarship I wore a set for about a week we were given them at Cranwell lol
MikeJenvey, am I misinterpreting the list of non-commissioned aircrew, or is it the case that the training rank of NCA Aircrew Cadet no longer exists?
(note, do not get excited, justanotherccfkid !-)
The rank-slide of ‘just the eagle’ got me very confused, when I saw it first, only a couple of years back, especially when worn black on an old DPM greens slider.
I still think that members of the USAF must’ve saluted at least some of these NCA Cadets, on the mistaken belief that they were Colonels…a similar irony to the way in which I’ve seen a SWO accidently salute an LACW wearing an OR’s female No1 hat and a GPJ, on the long-distance presumption that she was an Air Cdre (oh, that was so painful to watch)
wilf_san
[quote=“MikeJenvey” post=19939]
Aircrew rank slides are only permitted to be worn by RAF personnel who are “breveted” - I used to be an AEOp (a long time ago - the trade is now known as WSOp), & it was over one year of training before being issued with the rank as substantive & gaining the AEOp brevet.
Currently, the branches for non-commissioned aircrew are:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/job-categories/non-commissioned-aircrew/[/quote]
Well, we wore them whilst under-going our training at Finningley - after 6(?) weeks of initial aircrew cadet training - but we were carefully protected from the real sgts (& above) as we had a No 2 Sgts’ Mess.
As mentioned, the rank became substantive once we had graduated.
Not sure of the current processes with regard to wearing of rank during training, seems to be after a “Sgt’s Cse.”
[quote]A Sqn is responsible for the training of the short courses at OACTU with the main effort directed toward 2 intense eleven week courses. These comprise the Non-Commissioned Aircrew Initial Training Course (NCAITC) and the Specialist Entrant and Re-Entrant (SERE) course.
The NCAITC (which now includes Air Traffic Control cadets) encompasses the Phase 1 training of cadets who are either Direct Entrants having just completed recruit training at RAF Halton or are currently serving personnel. The Course aims to train cadets in leadership and other qualities to enable them to graduate as either aircrew sergeants, or sergeants for the ATC branch, ready to begin their Phase 2 professional courses in flying or Air Traffic Control.[/quote]
I used to be a flt cdr on A Sqn when DIOT was running at full capacity - 150 students on each cse, happy days!
From the Student Room (so take the information with a pinch of salt!), the complete trg package:
[quote]First off is RTS - Recruit Training Squadron at RAF Halton, for 9 weeks basic trg; if successful you pass out as an Aircraftsman in the RAF [color=#ff0000](my note - used to be aircrew cadet)[/color]
Second is a Sergeant’s Course at RAF Cranwell for 10 weeks, teaching you how to be a leader/manager amongst your fellow RAF personnel; if successful you become an Acting Sgt.
Third is NCAITC - Non-Commissioned Aircrew Initial Training Course, still at RAF Cranwell, for 6 months, where you are taught a generic curriculum for Aircrew - survival training, aircraft systems, radio procedures, and the like; if successful, you are then streamed onto one of the following NCA trades:
1a. WSOp (Crewman) - Fixed Wing - A further 4 months at RAF Cranwell, followed by 5 months at Brize Norton learning how to manage/transport/store loads on large RAF transport aircraft, as well as other in-flight assistance to the crew and passengers. If successful, posted to OCU.
1b. WSOp (Crewman) - Rotary Wing - 9 months at RAF Shawbury, learning how to handle cargo and passengers on helicopters. If successful, posted to an OCU
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WSOp (Electronic Warfare) - 7 months at RAF Cranwell, learning about RADAR systems, detecting other aircraft and ships and learning how to integrate this into an overall battlefield situation. If successful, posted to an OCU.
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WSOp (Accoustic) - 7 months at RAF Cranwell, learning about SONAR, oceanography, torpedoes, and how to hunt subs. If successful, posted to an OCU.
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WSOp (Linguist) - 24 months learning how to speak a foreign language, and translating enemy intercepted transmissions. If successful, posted to an OCU.][/quote]
There are some more details listed within this link: