Air Cadet related masonic lodge

I don’t like it. If he had been dismissed, I think it would have been an unfair dismissal. But I’m not sure where that action fits in as a problem. I’ll have a ponder.

As I keep advising people at work (& elsewhere); you, as an aggrieved party, might be able to brush things off with no damage to career or hurt feelings. The trouble is, how many other people has the “boss” been mean to, or, how about the future.

It cannot be ignored; action should be taken against him in this case.

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Apologies, a bit late to the party.

To answer this question, there are plenty of Lodges throughout the UK with militray connections. The core ethos of masonry goes hand in hand with the military and cadet organisations. The biggest issue is time commitment. As adult volunteers your time is a premium.

Seach google for military lodges in your local area and make contact, any lodge will be happy to talk to you. Dont belive what you sometime read on the interweb as the majority of it is rubbish! If you want to socialise, make new friends with likewise interests, want to support charity as we do in the ATC then this is a step you should look at taking.

Im a member of Venture Adventure 6022 Lodge based at Great Queens Street London (The home of English Freemasonary), we were the 1st Air Force linked lodge, that now is predominatly made up of Adult Volenteers all ranks and CIs. We have a large gaggle of ex and current serving regulars and oddly 3 marines ( dont ask! ). We meet 4 times a year in London ( so not a massive expense is your travelling in) we have our meeting then have a sit down dining experiance after. We meet up throughout the year on social (Liquid!) get togthers. There is plenty of banter and fun had. If your currently already on the square and fancy a visit or looking to take your 1st step in to Freemasonary drop us an email or drop me a DM always happy to chat about who we are and what we do.
Or follow this link to learn more -

Hopefully see you soon :blush:

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What about us poor, unloved Officers - Offrs Mess anyone ?? :grin:

You are overreacting !
There must be plenty of ex - Air Cadets who are Masons !

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In the Wing I am thinking of, it is “Sgts Mess” only by name - long ago it was a Sgts mess in the traditional sense but then the officers wanted to be involved, and seeing no sense in a “rival” group Officers are included but for consistency the name stuck hence the comments after the quoted words you offer

So a Wing Mess… It has been tried before, but from the abhorrant behaviour standards of some CFAV that I have witnessed in RAF messes, I’m not sure it would survive very long.
Nice idea though !

I’ve found joining the Freemasons was a nice next step from the ATC when I went to Uni.

I imagine you’d find a lot of crossover between the qualities of a good Cdt NCO/RAFAC SNCO/Officer and a Freemason.

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It can and does work. Depends on the esprit de corps of your staff I suppose…

Seconded.

I have been in a Wing where it was very successful with 2-3 social events a year and good “feel”

I have known of a Wing where it worked so well the Officer’s wanted in too (see above).

A Wing Social Club is not just an idea, but others can and have made it work…getting something like that going nowadays though I think would be tough

Big issue is that most wings are so spread out it’s difficult to get people together unless someone volunteers to drive an SOV.

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A photo which comes from the following article some may find of interest to read

BBC News - Freemasons: Leaders tackle the myths behind the ‘secret’ organisation

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Amazed that they’re asking the real hard hitting questions such as “do you have a funny handshake?”.
I mean I thought we were past that and journos could use their questioning better?

Its what the public want to know…

For me it’s the question about ‘are you secretly running things?’

They wouldn’t admit that would they…like asking someone at an airport if they are a terrorist🤣

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It’s a bit like British foreign policy where the illusion is that they are running things but in reality they struggle to organise the sandwiches for a buffet….:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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If you ever watched a committee meeting trying to decide how to organise a Ladies Night, or the arguments between a Secretary and Director of Ceremonies over how the minutes book should be conveyed between the secretary’s desk and the master for signing them, then you’d know the world would be in an even worse state than now if we were running the show.

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I like how in some lodges they do things that the blue book specifically says NOT to do (such as confirming tracing boards with JD)!

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It’s not wrong, it’s a “Lodge tradition”

“Local workings” - I’m getting more & more sure freemasonry is just air cadets without the paperwork….

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