I always taught drill.
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GMG. The price of SWA cabling. Specifically, 16mm2 stuff. Oooompf.
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Also why are these always big church services? I never did an ATC Sunday parade as the idea of spending all day in a church or cathedral really did not appeal to me at all. Even as a CWO who loved a good parade!
Why are we not doing big multi-activity camps or something instead to celebrate?!
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Because an hour in a church with a March to/from is easier to arrange? Also lost if these ATC Sunday events have been running for 80 odd years when attending church for this sort of thing was the standard.
Iâm not religious but I always loved the LaSER parade and then service at St Clement Danes
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Thereâs nothing that says commemoration events need to be parades with a church service. We can do whatever we want. Many units probably do.
I challenged this in my neck of the woods on Public Sector Equality Duty grounds.
That was not an enjoyable process.
The service is now very clearly optional and staff are to make that very clear to all staff and cadets, but if youâre not going in you have to wait outside. So we canât grab a coffee or leave.
Understood, but the responsibility is to think of those who would not like that. For example, another, secular and prestigious venue might surely be available.
Weâre not offering a religious service. Weâre taking a central celebration for everyone in the organisation and then making it at least partially a religious event (with a particular leaning).
If someone wants to organise an Easter or Eid celebration and invite everyone, then thatâs totally fine, provided CFAV and cadets face absolutely no pressure to help make it a success.
But we shouldnât be taking a neutral, secular event that leadership clearly wants to be very successful and public and then adding religious observance.
Are churches free? Or do they charge?
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They certainly come with mandatory worship and a collection plate, sometimes split with another charity (but you canât give to one cause and not the other).
Itâs not possible to host in a church and not accept religious worship.
Why is that relevant?
Because it explains why theyâre used so frequently, no hire costs, plentiful seating particularly for BIG parades.
Religious aspect aside, they are practical spaces for hosting large amounts of people.
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Well, collection plates are clearly not mandatory, (I also see them as a waste of time these days, i never have cash!)
The religion is, admittedly hard to avoid, but I would imagine thatâs more our organisation than the church doing that. I was called to the Bar in Clement Danes, and graduated in Truro Cathedral, and while I donât remember anything religious at Call, I couldnât be sure, of that fact. But I certainly donât remember any prayer at Graduation. So I think it is possible to NOT have the service be religious, and I would hope that a reasonable vicar would understand that.
Where else could host a whole wing inside on a February Sunday that wouldnât charge? (Not being facetious, itâs a question.)
I donât get why we get the all excited about a church parade, it so archaic and somewhat discriminatory because itâs forced upon on people of other religions, or those like me who is quite against the concept of religion. The only option is excluding individuals from the parade because we always pick Christianity.
The best parade i did had the ceremonial stuff with no bible bashing followed by a BBQ
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Similarly, I went to a graduation at York Minster and donât remember any overtly religious element. I also attended the investiture of a mayor in Bradford Cathedral and the religious element was multi-faith, in spite of the setting.
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I suppose if you want a big public event then it makes sense. But you could do all sorts of things that donât cost money.
An activity that reflects some of the great things we do would be more appropriate that sitting in a church being bored.
Now you mention it, Iâve also graduated within a church and recall it being without religion.
That could mean that while inclusion of religious worship was conveyed as unavoidable, thatâs not true.
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Itâs definitely doable, I imagine the real reason these services are always religious, is because thatâs the way itâs always been done, so thatâs the way we always will do it.
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Youâre kinder than me; I was imagining it was because the Church took a leaf out of the tobacco/vaping industryâs playbook and was trying to get âem hooked whilst theyâre young.
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Another GMG.
People who donât understand how climate systems work.
Using air con etc as an âon at 30 degrees or offâ system while leaving windows and doors open all the time.
Shut the doors, leave it on auto and only make slight tweaks to the temperature if you have to.
People get really offended when I get frustrated about it.
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