Blank NDs were reported to the Exercise coordinator, I don’t know what happened after that. I don’t recall any of my section ever doing it. You’d just hear them coming into harbour at night.
I don’t see how faulty ammo could be the problem on a Make Safe, if it was done properly there shouldn’t be any ammo in the chamber to go off?
More often than not it is people thinking they can break minor rules that leads to them thinking they are more experienced and know more than they do.
The whole ‘they don’t know what they don’t know’ is a big issue in our org.
I’ve investigated a lot of incidents and accidents over the years and they rarely start at the point of something big happening and often build over time.
I agree with you but I think you are coming from the wrong direction.
Humans by their nature will perform an activity in the most natural, intuitive & least energy involving way.
Where you have safety rules that don’t make sense when people think about them, people are likly to ignore or bypass which then causes an issue when it’s actually safety criteria that they dont do the logical step as that is what gets them killed.
The solution is not to clamp down on people ignoring or bypassing (unless stupidly callous & negligent) but to encourage the constructive challenging of stupid rules & feed things back.
Stupid rules breeds contempt for the rules and undermines the effectiveness of the good rules & the right mindset & culture.
Anyone remember the original WHT for the L144?
I should have said faulty weapon, but the ammo batch is still noted as part of an Unintended Discharge (not Negligent) as part of the reporting and investigation process.
Maybe, but even then the cadet checking the breach should see if it was empty. But I think some didn’t really know what they were looking for. Which is why I think we switched in later years to the staff checking it instead. Its all a bit hazy now.
In my experience, it’s rarely deliberate breaches of rules that lead to bigger issues, it’s mistakes, or a lack of clarity over the rules.
But to say that not wearing webbing on a shoot is going to lead to someone getting shot is to lose sight of reality. Like I said, I have never seen the webbing rule enforced, across three wings of shooting teams, and the only fatality I’ve ever heard of on a cadet range was the poor cadet who got struck by lightning.
I don’t think I’ve said that anywhere.
The wearing of webbing I believe is still a ‘should’ and had a significant break during COVID but would have to check ACP 18.
I also don’t think I’ve ever filled a mag on the point.
Which I’m pretty glad about tbh. As I’ve shot in some truly horrendous conditions and temperatures over the years, and in those circumstances it was often the less time spent on the firing point the better.
ETA, tell a lie, I have done it. At my first unit as a cadet we had two No.8s and two private weapons. One was a BSA Century and the other a Czech weapon simply called the Bruno/BRNO.
The Bruno had a five round mag, and we discovered on a 10 round rapid, it was still quicker to reload the mag after the first 5 rounds, than to try and seat the second 5 by hand.
Not sure I ever did it in L98. I’ve always just had loaded mags handed out.
Forward assist that bolt like it’s 1991 and sandy outside!
Like having to have an ammo orderly for air rifle pellets…? 
Too true - but often (regardless of topic), the upper echelons don’t listen, which just compounds the problem.
That’s not so much an issue it the fact you needed at one time to explosive awareness training & complete the same paperwork
It is an issue (either before / after any protocol changes for linked explosive awareness trg) - must have ammo orderly for pellets. Pointless rule.
^ and another one I see regularly ignored by reusing another existing member of range staff.
On my Air Rifle RCO course we were told that on an AR range all we needed was an RCO and a Medic, the RCO could then cover the safety supervisor role (as long as it was only 2 lanes) and the ammo orderly role.
While personally think this would be ok for an indoor AR range it’s not allowed
Medical personnel or nominated first aiders for a training activity are NOT to be employed in any other role that might result in them becoming a casualty or prevent them from reacting immediately to accidents.
In the case of an incident the Ammo orderly is responsible for securing the ammunition and the medic seeing to anyone needing attention.
Yes that’s ignoring they are just Air Rifle pellets and not live ammo however we do treat them as ammo and that’s what the book says.
Nothing in what you’ve quoted says anything about the ammunition orderly.
We only ever watched a CFAV use a speed loader. I’d have absolutely no idea how to use it if given one today.
Ah sorry, misread your post. Thought you were saying the Medic was also the Ammo Orderly.
However the RCO acting as a SS should be an exception rather than the norm.
It may have only been demo’d in your lesson. Could depend on what was available.
To be honest I can’t see us getting ammo on clips anytime soon.
on my IWT I believe we were shown a speed loader, then it was put away. ah well 
Nope. It’s permitted & allows 2 firers per detail instead of 3 - or more - don’t know about other sqn AR ranges, but probably only 3 firing points.