[quote=âAnonHBâ post=14049]The point of him being there was not so much as to pick up the sticks, but to provide the drummers with a spare in the event of a stick being dropped. At the end of the day they are only cadets not professional musicians.
Also as the bandmaster, he would be helping keep the timing of the band, helping the bandsâ performance as a whole. So yes, he may not have been physically playing an instrument but he was definitely performing as part of the band.[/quote]
I am not up to speed with bands last time I was in one was when I was a Cadet but âbandmasterâ seems like a made up position to me I know bands have directors of music but isnt this a position filled by a uniformed member of staff? prefably an officer?
Again im not sure how someone outside the band can help keep time (isnt that the bass drums job) as for helping with performance how would he do that if the band cant see him??
As brink rightly said sounds like peopel are defending something they do with very poor excuses even though we all know it wrong.
Sadly POP, yes. I think it is. However, we mustnât ignore the fact that these are the sort of things that have occurred in similar threads and they need to be quashed for the good of the ACO.
Also available on YouTube is the 2012 Knowle remembrance parade where you can see the same CI in uniform, without any drumsticks (perhaps nobody had dropped any that year) marching casually behind the band. That video is in HD
Right enough though - posting here is unlikely to help. Bringing the concerns to the attention of WWO Warwickshire & Birmingham Wing would be a better option as 2030Sqn are his responsibility.
If the 2012 oneâs on you tube I imagine it has been watched by more than the sqn and if anyone who might care has seen it or been made aware, it appears that nothing has been said. In light of this and knowing what pedants WWO can be, it canât be regarded as being that important.
The Video has stopped working but judging from the comments and being a Bandmaster myself i can honestly say if hes a CI with the band and in uniform he should be playing an instrument. The Regs cover CFAVs playing IN the band and uniformed staff acting as DoM/ Bandmaster. No 1 involved with a band would march behind it with a pace stick, not even a Band WO.
[quote=âincubusâ post=14073]Also available on YouTube is the 2012 Knowle remembrance parade where you can see the same CI in uniform, without any drumsticks (perhaps nobody had dropped any that year) marching casually behind the band. That video is in HD
Right enough though - posting here is unlikely to help. Bringing the concerns to the attention of WWO Warwickshire & Birmingham Wing would be a better option as 2030Sqn are his responsibility.[/quote]
Having just checked You tube for more 2030 posts, im suprised to come across apost of an event at nesscliffe the music added to the presentation is certainly not suitable for use with anything to do with the corps image in fact imshocked to find that it has actualy been overlooked, one the first track usedis of a sexual nature and the second relates to the black community using the N word that is totaly unacceptable
I apologise to anyonewho may findthe attached offensive but it looks likesomeone needsa serious word in this areaof their wing.
I am by no means trying to defend the video in question but
who posted it?
I went in search and found to my disappointment the userâs name is 2030Sqn - not some random name which for me at least would point the finger at a video editing competent Cadet
looking further, this user has only posted two videos and both were 5 yrs agoâŚwhich to me returns my thoughts to a Cadet who did it as a âprojectâ for the Sqn, has since left and no one took up the baton
there is nothing I know of which requires, unlike a Sqn webpage for example, to have it âregisteredâ with HQAC for youtube, ie any âofficialâ Sqn video poster isnât required, Iâm not even sure there is a requirement for Facebook pages either!
As such it is hard to regulate something that HQAC arenât aware ofâŚon the assumption that this is an âofficialâ user of 2030sqn which based on the evidence doesnât seem likely, or at least if it is, has not been used for some years.
As I say I am not defending the video, the comments above are valid, it doesnât offer the correct image but IS there an policy for such videos?? ACP50 from memory only covers photos and what should/shouldnât be included not videos and thus the backing tracks.
back to the topic in question, although I cannot find the original video on page one, there is a video of the 2012 parade and sure enough our enthusiastic CI is parading againâŚnote that both arms swing and are free from carrying any items
[quote=âthetopcat69â post=14100]Having just checked You tube for more 2030 posts, im suprised to come across apost of an event at nesscliffe the music added to the presentation is certainly not suitable for use with anything to do with the corps image in fact imshocked to find that it has actualy been overlooked, one the first track usedis of a sexual nature and the second relates to the black community using the N word that is totaly unacceptable
I apologise to anyonewho may findthe attached offensive but it looks likesomeone needsa serious word in this areaof their wing.[/quote]
I imagine the âmusicâ used is done so as it is something that would appeal to many youngsters and nothing whatsoever thought about the Corpsâ image. Having said that no ATC promo on an online source is watched by more than a (literally in some cases) handful of people, in terms of potential audience. Iâve seen any number of cadet promo video/slideshows and the music has killed it in terms of grabbing interest. If it hadnât been for this post, it wouldnât have lasted 5 seconds of my time, as I find that music style completely uninteresting. But as Steve says itâs 5 years old and as itâs on you tube theyâve probably forgotten itâs there.
As for the N word and sexual nature, within that particular music genre they are used quite freely and the N word is not regarded as an offensive (as far as I can tell) term. To this end it probably doesnât even register with the age group of anticipated audience. It may have been used as a shock tactic for oldies, but very little shocks or offends someone who lived through the monotony of Punk and some of their tactics to gain notorioty.
I think that the censorship, if it is felt it is needed, should come from the squadron not âTunbridge Wellsâ, unless of course they from Tunbridge Wells. I did this with something on my sqn about 8 years ago, which the couple who did it agreed to make the change, as I felt a couple of the piccies werenât really appropriate, although contextual.
In terms of 2030 sqn things on YT the others are atypically bland.
I for one would and I know the CO/ Wg Cdr/ and RC certainly would not be happy with that sort of lyric attached to anything to do with our Sqn or Wing.
The N word is certainly deemed across the country as having racist conotations unless it is between two or more members of the Black ethnic minorities and there was realy no excuse for the first track either.
The internet can do such wonderful things for our cause but something like this can cause more harm than good when not kept an eye on.
[quote=âthetopcat69â post=14175]I for one would and I know the CO/ Wg Cdr/ and RC certainly would not be happy with that sort of lyric attached to anything to do with our Sqn or Wing.
The N word is certainly deemed across the country as having racist conotations unless it is between two or more members of the Black ethnic minorities and there was realy no excuse for the first track either.
The internet can do such wonderful things for our cause but something like this can cause more harm than good when not kept an eye on.[/quote]
I am with tc69. There isnât any real defense for bad or âstreetâ language when associating with the ACO. Itâs against most of our ethos. If we want to relate to street culture, sideways hats and âswagâ lets start youth clubs.
Thereâs a billion music tracks out there more appropriate and if you think that use of the N word, offensive language and music that carries parental warnings will appeal to most of the 13 and 14 year old boys and girls in our target recruitment area then I despair.
Keep it clean, keep it in good taste and you wonât distance yourself from anyone.
On the about page for the 2030sqn account there is a link to an account called scopezaresmiling which is full of rubbish, with the latest being 4 years ago, it also has the Nesscliff video on it so it would definitely seem to only have been under a cadets control.
