What sports?

What are our current core major sports we do ?
Is it still 7 sports?

Athletics, Cross Country, Football, Hockey, Netball, Rugby, and Swimming.

Anyone heard if we can play crab football yet :grimacing:

That depends which Region you’re in :roll_eyes:

i thought they stopped rugby

Any of those sports are as safe as you make it, I personally disagree with swimming, yes it is a ā€œlife-skillā€ however from a ACP 4 point of view, it is very difficult to manage and costly too. I also find it bonkers that badminton isn’t a listed/allowed sport but Athletics involving javelin and shot put where the cadets have had about as much training as the staff (i.e. non) is ok.

Javelin and shot, they just stand at the line and chuck it as far as they can, don’t recall any run-ups or them spinning :man_shrugging:

I did enjoy badminton at school, but I can’t see how that’s not allowed. Same with basketball, and I’m sure we have a post about these questions somewhere else. *Dons flak jacket

My understanding was that those seven listed are just the ā€œcompetitiveā€ ones we do, not the ONLY sports we can do.

I don’t think anyone is going to stop you doing badminton as long as it’s properly risk assessed etc.

There is a list of approved sports for insurance purposes. Which is listed in ACP 300 Annex C No 306 titled ā€œActivities covered by the MOD Indemnity and ATC Insuranceā€ Basketball, Cricket, Rounders, table tennis and tennis are on there but no badminton! Any Rugby if it’s contact needs a suitably qualified coach

It has to be an approved sport and for Squadron sports nights it should be approved by your Wing Sports officer in advance on SMS.

A lot of sports is a throw back to when the ATC was first formed & chamier’s January Club inspired vision for a youth organisation.

what made sense in the 1940s doesn’t make sense now particularly as schools deliver a lot of the sports that use to be only available to private schools.

Considering the cost (which can’t be from public funds) I am still surprised it’s still going but I think it’s mainly ā€œbut we’ve always done sportsā€ crowd.

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I’m pretty sure you don’t need Wing approval for most Sqn-based sports, SMS certainly doesn’t require it.

Agreed totally with that, I can see the benefit of sport if coached correctly. I can also see the Leadership in Sport being a potential ā€œmarketā€ too but for me Wing Athletics and the like is a huge risk that we probably don’t need to have. If kids are interested in that they are part of their Athletics clubs and usually smash it on Wing Athletics day anyway

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I guess it depends where your sport is taking place, with us ā€œsquadron sportsā€ are off site at hired sports hall as we don’t have the space on squadron however on squadron premises probably not

Even for that we’ve never needed wing approval :thinking:

ACTO 10 States It is mandatory to use the Bader Squadron Management System (SMS) to record and authorise all national, regional, wing and ATC sqn events involving RAF Air Cadets (RAFAC) cadets and Cadet Forces Adult Volunteers (CFAVs) which take place away from unit premises unless, unit premises include, where authorised, an Extended Squadron Footprint which is an area adjacent to the unit and has been sanctioned by the Training Safety Adviser as a ā€˜Safe Place’.

So unless it is on an extended footprint (it could be) it should be recorded on SMS

They aren’t saying it doesn’t have to be on SMS, they’re saying it doesn’t automatically need wing approval.

Depends on your authority as it were, and the sport too as some are set-up different also depends on the sport for example Rugby does need WHQ sign off. Any referrals to Wing, we have it set-up that the Wing Sports Officer signs them off being the SME unless they are urgent and another WSO can be contacted if they aren’t reachable.

That is not what SMS says, which is the arbiter of who can approve what. All forms of rugby say sqns can approve them, along with most of the listed sports with a couple of exceptions.

Someone needs to update ACTO 010 then, as it is blocked out there.

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Interesting. Well someone needs to flag that to the Helpdesk then.

And add something else to the development timeline…