What will the rationale be for attending OASC?
Surely the RAF Officers so disgusted by the VR(T) can’t complain anymore as we will only be civvies in uniform squaring the circle of the SNCOs in the ATC fancy dress party.
I am not sure that the CFC does indicate that the holder is a volunteer - unlike the VRT!
I think it’s reasonable that CS staff could wear RAFAC insignia
I wasn’t suggesting it was unreasonable.
Just the preconception that you talking with a fellow CFAV who has managed to get a full time job doing their hobby…
You are right that the similarities don’t exist. I wonder if senior leadership in, say, the scouting organisation wear uniform (or however the scouts describe it)
On high days and holidays. Even then it’s just an embroidered fleece and maybe a shirt with a scouting logo, neckerchief and woggle. I’ve seen some leaders with headgear as well on Remembrance.
what comes to mind is the option to “apply for your own job” - you are no longer X instead to do what you have been doing you will now be a Y.
if anybody wants to continue in their current role please sit an interview for your Y position at which your TORs will be stated and you can choose to accept them
I think having TORs takes the mick. They look for all the world like a JD/contractual obligation and we don’t have a contract and it’s not a job.
i agree but take out the words TOR and replace with what ever is “above the dotted line” we once signed on.
TORs are the recognised shorthand. but as bigmalcmk alluded to: we “signed up” against a VRT/SNCO conditions…we are moving to a RAFAC conditions without signing up to them…
We do have a contract. Is just debatable whether it’s an employment contract.
HMRC seem pretty certain that I am employed by the RAF… 
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I would suggest that uniformed staff in the RAFAC and indeed all reserves are on a zero hours contract. We only get paid when wo do a qualifying activity. The fact that nobody has signed a contract of employment doesn’t mean that a contract doesn’t exist.
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I don’t quite square, contract and ‘hobby’, they seem mutually exclusive.
This should be a point to change the ATC in a positive way, not just name change, badge change and muddle on like before. There could have been a root and branch restructure of the top level management and made it fit better for the ATC of the 21st Century, rather than the broken system we’ve had.
I’ve said it and keep saying it, I can see big changes in the cadet forces as what exists currently with all the financial constraints on the MOD cannot carry on and the commission change is just another of the ducks in the line up. When there word of a real shake up in senior management, that will be the precursor.
A contract exists between the ATC and the cadets (cadets pay subs and ATC will provide the activities/some uniform).
It also exists between uniformed staffed and the ATC (we attend, help to organise / train the cadets, agree to follow the rules and in return are given [to some degree] accommodation, uniform, HTD, VA etc.)
That to me is a contract(offer, acceptance and consideration all being present) you’d be surprised how many day to day interactions create a contractual relationship. Personally I think it is an employment contract, especially when the Tribunals are expanding the scope of that, but even if not it’s a contract of some sort.
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be it a contract of employment or not
be it a contract legally binding or not
be it a contact or list of terms
be it a wishful list conjured up by full time employees for volunteers
we have signed on a dotted line at some point that we agree to certain conditions of (uniformed) appointment
and it is that which i understand @bigmalcmk was getting at and what i questioned with the “apply for your own job” comment.
(in truth why these conditions would change from VRT/SNCO to RAFAC i don’t know…the cynics would say the wording cannot be the same due to the change in “status” held upon CFAVs
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So according to CAC’s latest blog on FB says more details on CFC next week down through CoC…
An extra pair of pins for everyone.
Oh and remuneration is ceasing.
That’s something I have been wondering about…
The MoD registered the VR(T) as employees who were exempt from the minimum pay act (I pasted the link on here previously) but given all the stuff with employees and pensions we have all heard can you now create a paid position and claim it’s still exempt???
I haven’t a clue about legalities but just putting it out for anyone else maybe with a better knowledge to answer…
Seriously? That’s me gone then. The wife won’t put up with the time away if they get rid of remuneration.
No, not seriously. I was being flippant about “next weeks update” and the skill of certain bodies to bury bad news behind good.
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Or worse news behind bad news in this case?
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