US Election - today is the day

It’s what happens when you put a laughable politician into one of the great offices of state.

To be fair the damage to women’s rights in the US was completed in his last term, by appointing the justices he did to the Supreme Court it was obviously what would happen to Roe v Wade. (They also aren’t wrong to have struck it down on legal grounds, just moral ones).

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I wonder if Churchill was rude about Hitler in the 30’s…

Just wait for the next election in three to four months time, as it looks as if the German coalition has collapsed this evening.

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Well, except the legal principle of not messing with established precedents. Which I distinctly recall that beer quaffing, sex pest saying he woudn’t do when he interviewed for the job.

On the Lammy point, of course he has a different official view now he’s a Cabinet Minister, that’s the job. I did find it ironic that it was Badenoch who dredged that up today, considering how much she has herself decried the practice of “offence archaeology”. Day one in the job and she’s straight on it.

( Kemi Badenoch made ‘rape joke’ on social media in unearthed post | The Independent)

Lammy or Trump?

Pays your okey you takes your choice, I wouldn’t vote for either of them for the role of lollipop man.

Ireland are voting in just over 3 weeks - announced today.

Now that is going to be an interesting one, neither Fianna Fail or Fianna Gael are liked, the Greens even less but the interesting one will be Sein Fein. SF may not maintain their present vote share but like the Greens could be kingmakers.

If Sein Fein gain overall control, I suspect the security files shredders will be working overtime on both sides of the border.

With Biden going and DJT being an Anglophile, the US attitude to Ireland may change. The other thing that may impact is DJTs comments about US companies and their offshore business activities.

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SF won’t get in.

Firstly, they’re well down in the polls due to safeguarding problems. Secondly, neither of the main parties will work with them.

Last time around SF were seen as the kingmakers, but the 2 big parties chose to form a coalition instead, despite previously being bitter rivals (they’re both relics from the Irish Civil War).

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IIRC they were the Fenians who split before the end or just after the civil war. The interesting ones will be how well the independents do in the election. The other thing is that the Catholic Church has far less influence in recent years in Irish politics, in particular amongst the younger generation. This was seen over the abortion issue in the last few years.

Like in America, Harris didn’t address the problems with the economy, cost of living or illegal migration in any interviews, but just went on the offensive about DJT. This could trip up the main parties badly.

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DeValera was the one who deserved to get shot and lots of people haven’t forgotten or forgiven yet :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Not even that young, most people under 50 aren’t in the thrall of the church like their parents and grandparents were.

Abortion, LGBTQ+ rights all places where Ireland is well ahead of the USA. My wife has cousins out in New York (moved from London in their 20’s) who have kids who are first generation Americans

They visit Ireland and it’s like the Tweets you see from Northerners who go to London, see how diverse it is and claim that London is gone. They go on and on about how sad it is that Ireland has slipped into sin etc. unsuprisingly they all voted Trump.

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Something the UK will not be a part of after Brexit. If there will be a United States of Europe in the future. The UK will be like Puerto Rico, with out a seat at the big table.

I can deal with that :wink:

My last aviation company involved a huge number of flights - UK ↔ EE & associated intra-EU connections.

It was very clear that cross-border arrangements were exceptionally beneficial (border access, commercial contracts, etc) - & even if you were sitting around the “EU table” & didn’t get what you wanted, it was 100% better than being outside the locked EU door & getting nothing!

Some of my UK colleagues said that they voted to leave EU just to register their displeasure (they didn’t want to leave actually), as although they appreciated the benefits, they didn’t like the way the EU ran some things… :man_facepalming:

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Do you think the US election and President Trump’s promise to draw Britain away from the EU will have a positive impact on our economy? What does this mean for our military?

Tarrifless free,trade deal and our military are already interlinked with the US in the terms of co-operation and reciprocal equipment supples. The continuation of AUKUS and the use of 5Eyes. Our biggest trade area is the USA. Europe is disappearing down an economic ‘black hole’ in the future.

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I mean it’s possible that an obviously one sided trade deal with an economy 3000 miles away will be better for our economy than one with an economy 20 miles away…

With a Trump administration, which is - publicly at least - all about US jobs, do you think getting UK munitions like Meteor, Spear Cap 3, and whatever is the replacement for Storm Shadow integrated onto F-35 will be easier, or more difficult than it currently is?

Short version, every UK administration who’ve dealt with him describe the experience as tortuous and a nightmare - last time he was one nutjob surrounded, broadly, by more sensible people. This time he’s one nutjob in a sea of people who make him look sane.

I wouldn’t touch him with a stick.

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When it comes to a US Trade Deal I wouldn’t be hopefully if getting a good one no matter who’s in office, but I suspect it would be quicker with Trump. Biden wasn’t exactly pro-UK that much was obvious.

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slight tangent talking about tariffs but his desire to raise tariffs on imports to the USA by 20% (eg China) to boost USA made kit makes no sense.

for full explanation find the “more or less” item on Radio4, but I shall summarise, using an electric scooter as an exmaple.

if a Chinese imported Scooter is is now subject to 20% tariff is it now no longer $200 but $240
This now gives the manufacturer/sellers of USA made scooters excuse to raise their prices by up by 20% as ~$240 is now the “going rate” for a Scooter.
Why turn away easy money when the market rate is at $240?
if prices stayed the same consumers would see a more expensive, (potentially) inferior Chinese product versus a cheaper (potentially) better USA product - so becomes a no brainer…by why would a seller proce a better product for less than an cheaper one?
thus prices only go one way - up for everyone.

(there is a valid argument that the USA retailers make more money as they are now selling at a higher price, but as the tariffs are brought in to benefit USA consumers and the economy, it misses the point for the consumer and doesn’t benefit the economy the way that way planned)