Two cadet forces

Dingbat · 2 May 2013 17:30

Hi,

Done a few searches but can’t seem to find what I am looking for.

Can a cadet be a member of more than one cadet force, specifically, the ATC and ACF?

cheers,

talon · 2 May 2013 18:34

[quote=“Dingbat” post=6865]Hi,

Done a few searches but can’t seem to find what I am looking for.

Can a cadet be a member of more than one cadet force, specifically, the ATC and ACF?

cheers,[/quote]

As far as JSP 814 is concerned, yes.

Hendon_Chipmunk · 2 May 2013 19:01

PERSONNEL INSTRUCTION NO 501 TERMS OF ENROLMENT/APPOINTMENT AND CONDITIONS OF MEMBERSHIP FOR
AIR TRAINING CORPS CADETS says yes:

Membership of other organisations and cadet forces. Cadets are permitted to be members of more than one organisation (eg cadet force or University Air Squadron) at the same time, providing the commanding officers of the units are aware, agree and that this is not at the expense of young people on a waiting list…

Jonay1990 · 3 May 2013 22:20

AP1919:

Membership of Other Cadet Forces. ATC Cadets cannot be members of more than one cadet force at the same time, except where membership of another cadet force is a mandated part of a formal educational course. Additionally, cadets cannot be members of more than one sqn or detachment of the ATC or contingent of the CCF but may be a member of both the ATC and CCF simultaneously. A cadet may also transfer to the ATC from another cadet force with the agreement of the appropriate sqn cdr. The sqn cdr is to assess the cadet’s capabilities from his age, bearing, experience and training in the other cadet force, and to judge at which stage of training it will be appropriate for the cadet to begin in the ATC. Wg HQ is to be notified of details so that the requisite classification may be authorized.

my bold

Operation_Nimrod · 3 May 2013 22:23

1919 is out of date and PI501 states that order superceeds it as 1919 is being updated.

cygnus_maximus · 4 May 2013 08:24

I don’t see what the debate is here, Precedence of Orders and Instructions is easy enough. JSPs, APs, ACPs, then other instructions and notices etc. Lower level instructions can amplify, contextualise, or give further detail, but they can’t countermand the higher publication. Therefore, if JSP 814 says it’s ok, it’s ok.

397k · 4 May 2013 16:01

Cannot see a problem, over the years I have had a number of cadets who have been both ATC and CCF(RAF). They have been very good and most have become Cdt SNCO’s.

cygnus_maximus · 4 May 2013 19:40

Agreed, I’ve had a couple of CCF cadets too and they’ve been superb, one was a Leading Hand CCF (Navy) and an ATC cadet as he wanted to be Navy aircrew (and he now is!) and he was eventually my CWO. The fact that these people want to do cadet activities as often as possible should, in general, be a pointer to what they are like.

Interestingly, I think the initial issue of JSP 814 said no to being members of two MOD-sponsored cadet organisations, so I wonder why there has been a change?

ears · 8 May 2013 20:01

What about staff volunteering their time at another cadet force?

Jacques · 8 May 2013 20:12

ears, this thread might be of interest to you.

talon · 8 May 2013 22:10

Here you go:

Perry_Mason · 8 May 2013 23:31

However… they’d be mad to do so. I mean really - unless somone has no other job just do one and take time to smell the roses, live life, socialise etc etc. Being in 2 cadet forces at the same time (as staff or cadet) doesnt make sense!

ears · 9 May 2013 06:17

What happens with regards to insurance? Are you covered? Who by?

talon · 9 May 2013 08:34

You are covered by standard MOD indemnity. If an individual cadet force has purchased additional insurance you are covered by that when on duty with that cadet force.