Yes. He supports who’s most convenient for getting him into power…
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Single still frames are widely more accepted as evidence than gifs, such as the one you provided.
Has this thread already degenerated into one where absolutely no counter argument is allowed, for fear of being shouted down and being called obtuse?
Sounds like the start of a nazi state if you ask me!
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We Trump supported Bill Clinton and I think he’s a raging facist.
There is a difference between making a sensible argument and talking out your back door.
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Musk is an odd bloke no two ways about it. Highly likely to be neuro divergent, but doesn’t look like the #bekind crowd are extending their usual understanding to him.
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Very interesting discussion on the Trump inauguration on When it hits the fan on Radio 4 yesterday. A very interesting take on the day from two PR professionals
Power and influence in the (medieval) court of Trump.
You’re not producing counter arguments, you’re just throwing mud and nonsense and pretending you’re making cogent arguments.
And of course a moving image is more widely believable than a still, what nonsense is that?
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I did raise my eyebrows at this claim as it did seem an exaggeration based on the stills,
However watching the film
It’s two deliberate movements and very much a form of salute.
However as part of pedentry I wouldn’t describe it as the “nazi salute” which is straight, arm extended forwards with no heart thump, but is very similar to the Roman salute adopted by mossolini fascist party so a facist salute would be more accurate (the name originates from the Roman axes carried in front of consuls).
Software engineer use prefering to deal in black & white & in an authoritarian way - fascism probably would makes sense as the most efficient way to move things forward - it’s the logic without the empathy & growing up in apartheid South Africa it would make sense that he would return to the way things use to be run.
I don’t think musk is a Nazi though & he would probably distinguish between the two ideology
Both trump & musk consider themselves as more intelligent than the other so it will be interesting when they fall out.
Although I think Vance will fall out with trump first, resign as VP and then trump will appoint Musk (if he is eligible - trump is changing all sort of citizenship statuses so we’ll see)
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You cannot seriously be suggestiong that the still frame of Luke Littler you’ve provided would be more widely accepted than the gif I posted? 
I’m happy to debate these things. Debate is healthy, especially on topics like this. I think one thing, you think another, but you need to give me something to work with. The only counter argument so far is ‘here’s some still frame photos that also look Hitler salute-y’.
A still frame as you’ve shown can be way more out of context. A dart thrower can look suspect in the right framing. Video shows context. In this case, it’s pretty purposeful and deliberate, in my opinion.
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Rather than invoking Godwin’s law, I thought it would be helpful to post who is listed in trumps cabinet. (This post is from 10 Jan 25 so is someone has an updated list please post!)
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Ramaswamy has already left DOGE, couldn’t get on with Elon.
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The most viable explanation I’ve heard is that this was an autistic man trying to express emotion, possibly trying to do that thing where you touch your heart and point at people. The other explanation, also nothing to do with being a not-so-secret national socialist, is possibly defamatory and so I won’t repeat it here.
I’m not. What I’m still trying to say is that you can find anything on the internet to ‘prove’ your theories and beliefs.
You can believe he was trying to physically express - rather clumsily - his heart going out to people, as he said at the time.
Or,
You can believe he is a reincarnation of Hitler, as suggested in the gif.
Personally, I’m unsure either way without further evidence. In this day and age jumping to conclusions can get you in a whole host of trouble.
But….because I’m sitting on the fence, definitely doesn’t prove beyond reasonable doubt that I’m obtuse, talking out my back door or throwing mud.
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You’re not sitting on the fence. You’re pretending to be, while actively deploying misinformation which assists Musk by muddying the waters and alleging that others have made nazi or fascist salutes when they clearly haven’t, while throwing your hands up and saying “oh how can we possibly know?”
And all of that helps Nazis. Because here we are arguing about whether or not to call a spade a spade, while the definite Nazis are laughing at the fact that you can perform a nazi salute on stage at a presidential election and get away with it.
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You’re right. He is 100% a Nazi.
I do not wish to add to the fire on this tangent of Musk arm gesture but i will add this…
from the BBC News article
But the Anti-Defamation League, an organisation founded to combat antisemitism, did not agree.
“It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” it posted on X.
if those most likely to be insulted by a Nazi salute are not seeing it that way, then who am I to suggest it is something we should be worried, concerned about and should be taking offence about?
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I’m not going that far, (But I do think he’s a fascist who is routinely supporting and endorsing far right and racist movements and persons, like AfD and Tommy Robinson) but I am saying that was a Nazi salute, and deploying it there, and then, emboldens Neo-Nazis, fascists and racists everywhere.
You’ll note I’ve not actually said he’s a Nazi…
I think he’s a fascist, sure. And I think that was a Nazi salute, done on purpose. I don’t think he believes in everything that Hitler did, fairly far from it. I think he’s doing things like that salute to engage with a base who has more extreme views than he does.
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In which case, why not apologise for being clumsy, AND condemn the organisations who use that gesture as a symbol of hate?
Instead, he’s relying on plausible deniability, and everyone refusing to condemn him for it, just adds more plausibility to his actions.
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I’ve seen plenty of German videos saying he would be arrested regardless of his spectrum diagnosis. Fluff Trump and Fluff his billionaire gifters who are clinging onto daddy Trump’s legs. Irrespective of what is said here or on any forum or social media platform, I have many American friends mainly democratic voters with 3 republican Supporters who are very worried about what the next 4yrs holds.
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