Trump's Second Term Chat

So THAT is why he enjoys them so much!

I greatly dislike what Trump is doing with the tariffs (I think that’s how you spell it)

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He doesn’t know that pose. He gets to make this sound like his victory and many will fall for it.

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Pssst……:sunglasses:

So in his bid to win the Nobel Peace Prize, he’s now said the US will take over and own the Gaza Strip, redevelop it and create 1000s of jobs for everyone.

So his wish list of parts of the world he wants to be American now reads: Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal, Gaza…where next? Am I missing the difference between he’s opposed to Russian invasion/annexation of Ukraine/Crimea but willing to take both Greenland and Panama Canal by military force if required for national security reasons.

I’m even tempted to ask the PM to declare Hawaii a British Overseas Territory as the Union Flag is on their State flag, seems as logical as Trump’s foreign policies.

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Who had Ethnic Cleansing for February?

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I’ll be honest, I had it down for happening in the US - taking over Gaza? Not so much…

Unfortunate(?) timing

There’s a kernel of logic to it - deploy peace keepers & rebuild Gaza (which has been effectively leveled) so that it better for security, & harder for it to be used for terrorism.

In practise it’s would be a nightmare which nobody would want to touch & the only one that could really be asked is Britain due to the previous mandate.

Having said that I think trumps main thinking & goal is to turn Gaza in a giant golf course /las vegas of the Middle East rather than some sort of functional country.

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Yeah, but you don’t move the population out first…

of course, there is the small matter of International Law to consider …

Forcible displacement is prohibited, whether within the borders of a country or across international borders

Source: Internally Displaced Persons and International

People like Trump don’t worry about little things like International Law. There’s real estate opportunities in them there hills!

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Isn’t international law more like treaty’s & conventions rather than anything codified like civil / criminal law?

& in short just comes down to countries agreeing to do it (& notably international law doesn’t apply to companies)

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It starts as agreements and treaties, but a lot of it will then be codified in the national law of the country itself. Some EU law had immediate effect, such as GDPR (Well, All Regulations) other EU laws had to be implemented locally (Directives).

You can end up in silly situations like we used to be, where we signed up the the European Convention of Human Rights in 1950, but didn’t implement it domestically until 1998. This meant that you had convention rights, but couldn’t enforce them in UK courts, but could sue the UK in the European Court for not upholding your rights. (This is exactly what happened in the case of Homosexual Armed Forces Personnel, and one of the key decisions that led to the Human Rights Act.)

Can’t think of any reason why Companies are exempt from international law, they’re still legal persons, and where the law applies to them, it will be enforceable.

I think from what you’ve said it will only affect companies when its incorporated into national law.

So, could Trump or musk set up a company that just buys Gaza & because the US or Israel didn’t incorporate a treaty into domestic law isnt bound by the international restrictions.

I don’t think a Company can simply buy sovereign territory. But i’m getting to the limits of my knowledge on IL.

Leading car brand in the USA is… Toyota (albeit they make US models over there).

Best selling model is the Ford F-150 which isn’t a ‘car’ in any way a European or Japanese manufacture would describe it (stand easy, Hilux)

Top electric brand is Tesla though.

2023 figures - latest available.

So if it’s not been codified into US law then said international law isn’t worth the paper it’s written on as far as the US is concerned?

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No, because there’s lots of treaties countries are signatories to they don’t need to codify, The USA is signatory to a lot of the key treaties, they aren’t signatories to the ICC statute for instance, but they will be for most International Human Rights Laws, well, for now at least…

So having a google & going down the rabbit hole - it appears that the USA sign a lot of treaty’s but don’t ratify them as it needs to go to congress.

From what I can work the USA has not ratified the Geneva convention protocol regarding displaced people, (Israel hasn’t signed or ratified it either).

So it might be that it’s not binding on the US or on Trump.

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