The Chinese Communist Party is hostile to the principles of democracy and human rights. That isn’t a friendly rivalry: it’s an existential risk to our way of life.
Whilst Russia may well be the more immediate threat in terms of time and distance: China is the greater threat.
As is the US Republican Party, and even the UK Conservative Party and Reform UK are speaking about withdrawing human rights from British citizens.
So I guess each of the above must also be an existential risk to our way of life?
This. This is what the old gammon heads don’t get, but at least the (won’t) the boat people (won’t) stop.
What human rights, from which British citizens?
But we’ll have our own human rights. We don’t need Europe’s! Just ignore the ones we helped draft up…
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These anti ECHR are all fueled by billionaire donors that want less employment rights, actively pushing for a US system where there isn’t minimum wage, worker protection, legally forced types of leave. So they can pay the minions less, make them work harder and make more money.
But they want you to think immigration is the problem.
It’s exactly the same in the US. Trump is targeting illegal immigration to distract people from him making more money and trying to escape bending the law and probably being exposed as a nonce.
That’s a seriously twisted interpretation of things. ECHR has been openly used to prevent deportation of illegal immigrants, foreign criminals, and terrorists for years now.
It isn’t even the basis of most of our rights, which either pre-dated it or are derived from sovereign laws.
We’re still in a relatively low unemployment economy (until Labour do more damage), meaning employees have a choice not to work for companies that only offer the legal minimum.
13 times in 45 years, in the same time period they’ve ruled in favour 16 times,
You remove the ECHR and replace it with purely domestic legislation your rights become the whoke of the government of the day, as long as they have a majority.
Does it ever annoy you that you are lied to frequently?
Interesting. You do realise this means withdrawing from it won’t therefore, based on your own evidence, be taking anything away from anyone?
I still find it hilarious it was easier to deport people pre Brexit and now we’ve made our bed and it’s a struggle to deport due to smashing up expedition agreements
Jesus, who taught you to debate that intellectually dishonestly? Charlie Kirk?
Dealing with your epic straw man argument, what happens if we de-link our Human Rights system from an internationally recognised system would be that your “rights” are decided by the government of the day, not by reference to a universal standard meaning you lose the safeguard the ECtHR provides.
The thing you don’t seem to fully appreciate is that you currently live in a democracy that largely has a fundamental respect for Human Rights, so doesn’t lose often in the Court, whereas, other countries with a poorer attitude to such things get their arses handed to them by the Court all the time, countries like Turkey, Russia, Italy and others.
Which Human Right are you most keen to lose?
A point not missed by the owners of all the Farage Boats clogging the pas de Calais.
I fully appreciate that. It’s the very reason we don’t need a foreign court telling us who we can and can’t deport, or that prisoners should have the vote.
So because everything is fine at the moment we don’t need any safeguards for the future? Do you even realise how thick you sound?
This is one of the most unwelcoming forums going for anyone with diverse opinions. There’s no wonder people keep disengaging.
Your opinion isn’t diverse, it’s just dumb. You never back your claims up with any evidence, you use all the logical fallacies in the book, and you make statements that are just flat out nonsense, like your last post above.
If you don’t like it, fine, but it ain’t going to change for you.
So, your ECHR vs UK statistics are meaningless. The fact the ECHR is there as a route of appeal makes domestic courts behave differently, and that’s how it’s abused to make policies to deter illegal immigration more difficult.
Whether that’s “abuse” is a matter of opinion. I call it “use”.
If you delivered a presentation like this for the RAF senior leadership, they’d chew you up and spit you out.
All you ever do in this forum (when talking politics) is demonstrate that you’ll pivot without reflection whenever someone clarifies that your position is flawed or inconsistent. You’re not always wrong, but we learn a lot when you are.
While I respect you for engaging outside of your traditional echo chamber, it means nothing if you’re not engaging in good faith.
Don’t enter the chat to win, enter the chat to genuinely test your assumptions.
Don’t build straw men, it’s beneath you. You don’t have to kill your entire identity just because you realise you’re labouring under some misconceptions.
If you genuinely feel like your entire political identity is at risk, and that’s why you’re fighting so hard to deflect, then you don’t have a political identity, you’re in a cult.
You deliberately emphasise the CCP in order to further discredit them, because “cOMmuniSM!” And yet when it’s pointed out that the right wings of European and American democracies seem intent on doing away with democracy and societal and political norms you sail right past it…
That is the height of dishonesty. It either bothers you or it doesn’t. To play these games is disrespectful to us as your peers.
Edit: And based on previous posts, I think we know that it doesn’t actually bother you, so your denigration of China is perhaps performative.