What about the “selective” element that allows for both conscious and unconscious bias to be applied.
If 17 year old Bloggs wants to stay and do JL / QAIC / Gold DofE why should we push them out as not responsible.
Are we an organisation for 12-20 year olds for or 12-18 and 18-20 if we like you.
We could see CWOs becoming de jure staff cadets as is the current operation whereby they can act as CFAVs except overnight etc. and better facilitate the transition of CWOs to CFAV.
But what is the logic in restricting such a process purely to CWO’s?
I don’t see anything wrong in us an an organisation being able to say about any adult that we do or don’t want you in our organisation. That 18 year old switch over is the perfect time for that.
What’s the organisation risk (before we consider the risk to the individuals) of exposing children to unvetted adults?
De jure no, de facto yes. Whether that’s right or wrong is a different question.
But are we a youth organisation for 18-20 year olds? You can’t join at 18 as a cadet. Those who wish to continue are selected on what they choose to give back to cadets.
I can see a bit of argument for continuing cadet service up to 19 as that age is someone likely to be still in education
As otherwise want point do you leave as a cadet?
The law of the land is 18. That’s the legal guillotine. Past that age all actions are as an adult, you are responsible as an adult. If an 18 year old cadet is caught up in a cadet incident where a cadet was killed, then the 18th at cadet could still be tried along with the rest of the adults as part of the corporate manslaughter, joint enterprise.
Life reaches a point where you have to accept your age, grow up & move on. The law says that age is 18. The only age restriction above this age I can think of is related to driving.
If you have a cadet who only wants to stay on for a particular course then you are not going to keep them once that course finishes.
When you hit staff cadet, the world is moving on and you are soon put out to pasture to make way for the younger cadets who are developing & will drive things forward.
I think maybe FS/CWO will probably be the likely candidates to become de facto staff, however I don’t see the point in limiting it to just CWO or just FS/CWO. There are many cases where I’ve seen staff cadet Sgts performing the same role of a FS and same with FS and CWO.
I think the current way staff cadets are isn’t too great, and the changes proposed (from the information on the forum at least), don’t make things any better.
In my view staff cadets end up organising and running quite a bit, making up for staff numbers quite often, and also perform staff roles on camps and courses yet get no compensation like mileage or VA just because they aren’t 20+! If you’re over 18, you’re an adult and should be treated as such. Actually backwards.
4 Sep 23 is the start of the academic year. Therefore my guess is timing out of cadets will occur at the end of the academic year in which they turn 18. Schools I believe don’t require 6th formers (or whatever the current phase is) to be DBS’ed. Cadets in this category will be given 2 options stay as a CFAV (possibly CWO until 20 with DBS/AVIP/BPSS etc) or leave.
Again purely speculation, but with a touch of logic.
It’s also the end of the summer holidays, has no bank holiday so is less likely to have people on leave.
4 Sep is also less than a week away and still not clarity…or indeed any details!
“If we don’t tell them what we’re doing, those pesky CFAVs can’t oppose it!”
-Official HQAC policy, it would appear…
I read the announcement as warning us that they’ll tell us on the 4th
which is all well and good providing they don’t expect us to apply it on the 4th as well…
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1st Sep in Wales is the start date for most local authorities.
Scotland is earlier.
Just out of curiosity does this proposed policy still work with the devolved nations?
I’m will to bet five of your English pounds that this is a question that hasn’t crossed what we are pleased to call the minds at HQAC…
A further £5 says there’s a panicked rewrite after an unhappy reaction in Scotland, Wales and NI, that still fails to grasp the issue.
Nah, it specifically says that “starting on 4 Sep 23, several policy and digital changes will be implemented”.
It says that’s when the new rules will be implemented… Or that’s my view anyhow.
Sorry. I should have been clearer. I read it as being implemented and us being informed that day. Maybe just my cynicism about HQ ability to communicate and manage change
What’s the betting the influence team has been told to roll it out but there hasn’t been official sign off yet & no-ones told the influence team to stop the changes to the digital systems.
I’m hopeful a robust and well written will be launched on 4th September. And it will be so watertight and well thought through, that it can be implemented with immediate effect.
4th September could be the start of a brave new world. And I hope it is so.
Remember; rebellions are built on hope.
