I would just set up a temp outdoor if you are in that sort of environment.
This is what CARITs looks like though:
I would just set up a temp outdoor if you are in that sort of environment.
This is what CARITs looks like though:
I dont think you can do the standing part of one of the CLFs though can you?
Nope, prone only is my understanding.
Not sure if thatās a limitation of the YPS(T) qual as well.
According to a Scout person in the know, via YPS(T), standing is the āstandardā position for most .177 10m AR, & they also shoot Multi-Purpose Rifle at 10m which includes standing.
Standing was certainly the standard when I shot AR .177 competition at 10m previously.
But can you do it on that folding target above? I was told you canāt but it seems as if it is possible according to other members here.
For that type of backstop, I have no idea, Iāve never seen one in person.
Thank you. This looks much better for some squadrons who have to use their main halls if it packs down a lot smaller than TS25s
You wonāt be able to do standing against one of those, completely the wrong angle for the pellet catcher.
Edit: The devil in me would just say put it on a table⦠that would in theory solve the problem. Not sure what the official guidance is on that though.
Not inherently as Scouts (as a general rule) donāt shoot prone.
But the Scouts donāt use the CARTIS shown above (and below) . . .
Wooden table or protective material on the edges? Hessian screen to hang over it? If it raises the catcher / screen to the right height for the angles, why not?
It might be useful to look at the NSRA Coaching Scheme and competitive air rifle shooting in a little more detail.
First of all Youth Proficiency Scheme Tutor (YPS)
This is an external qualification and doesnāt form part of the main coaching scheme. As the description says:
This equips candidates to run have-a-go sessions in air rifle shooting and also to take young people for introduction to shooting over a longer period (as in Scouts or other uniformed groups). It is the standard qualification used by members of the British Activity Holiday Association (BAHA) and also written into Scout PORās (operating procedures).
It is not used in rifle clubs, where the entry level qualification is Club Instructor. It is also common for Scout Leaders who have an interest in shooting to gain the Club Instructor qualification. Note that all the instructor and coach qualifications are discpline specific.
Airgun shooting in rifle clubs is almost exclusively shot at 10m standing. The exceptions are some 20 yard Lightweight Sport Rifle (LWSR) competitions (standing) where air may be used in place of cartridge and some short range benchrest competitions. Some years ago it was decided to permit air to be used in some short range prone competitions, but the take up was minimal.
The NSRA rules for air rifle are minimal and may be found in Section 8 of the Rules and Regulations. The detail is found in the individual competition conditions which will reference the relevant ISSF rules.
3P air rifle and Sporter Air Rifle have an additional expanded set of rules. It is the latter that is promoted by the Scout Association, allowing simpler and less expensive route into 3 Position shooting. 3 Position Air as described in the rules isnāt really a thing in this country with the usual pathway being 10m standing to 3P cartridge.
It is important to appreciate that YPS is an introductory course designed to cater for those who may have little or no previous experience of shooting that will equip them to deliver safely taster or have-a-go sessions. It also provides a gateway for future development of instructors. One of the entry requirements for NSRA instructor and coach courses is individual or life membership of the association. I do know that in the past, scout led courses were held without their nominees being NSRA members. However, they were not awarded the qualification, but were given a certificate for having attended a Basic Shooting Techniques Course.
The course could be held at any suitably equipped rifle club. The cost for the venue would be probably be iro Ā£500.00 for a weekend. If you think thatās expensive then try hiring a sports hall for the weekend.
There is one area that has not been mentioned yet and that is Scotland. As some will be aware possession <12 ft\lb air rifles are subject certification process there. The S54 exemption in The HO Guidance was\is intended to apply to S1 and I wonder whether an additional exemption will have to be negotiated to allow squadrons in Scotland to hold <12 air rifles without an AWC. At some point it will have to be addressed and clarified. As I said earlier, can of worms.
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Other comments point out that yes, youāre right - however, I agree with those saying that it sets the standard for more advanced future shooting qualifications.
However, air rifles are still quite dangerous, and you still get cadets that waft the things about, not realising the danger that they are creating.
IMHO, yes, WHTs are very necessary for the safe use of an air rifle for many cadets.
Are you saying that Scouts [or indeed random children at fun fairs] are inherently safer and that, uniquely amongst the youth cohort, cadets cannot be trusted with air rifles (but bows and arrows, tomahawks, etc, are fine)?
Edit: and shotguns!
I would disagree; the supervision of the RCO & any safety supervisor prevents āwaftingā of rifles - a WHT will not stop that.
Scouts donāt, as far as Iām aware, conduct exhaustive trg / WHTs.
The Scorpion AR is very simple. You could take a person with no knowledge, explain basic shooting / aiming principles to them in 10 mins & start them off shooting. Any issues, apply your safety catch (as previously demonstrated), lay the rifle down. Get rifle checked.
Letās make things simpler, not harder.
So, shotgun shooting is a different category of sport - think we can combine this with drone flying?
My issue here is two fold.
We are not teaching shooting for the sake of putting pellets down range but rather spending time so that they understand the marksmanship principles and how they relate to their firing position so they can achieve aomething.
Our system.is progressive. Scouts and other organisations may offer AR shooting but we have the L98. We need to ensure that we have a progressive system that allows for a degree of commonality in approach. Teaching the NSP, shooting drills and positions of firing, offers the cadet those common links between the weapon systems.
Ultimatley, its not about āeasierā or āharderā, but rather what will provide the best and safest shooting experience. What ia argued above, maybe something that could get someone to shoot a weapon but would doubtful have much of a clue how to hit the target. How to zero the weapon. Understand the MPI or what a grouping is.
The other cadet forces follow a simpler & easier shooting progression than what we currently use in the ATC, why donāt we follow them?
Secondly the L98A2 is not a marksmanās weapon, & is the odd ball out
It is also very much treated as a ālead-into-brass converterā. One of the reason I hate using that weapon is itās not easy to shoot, is not very accurate & as a coach you have very little input.
It is designed to land shots on centre of mass & not the precision that is required to develop the target shooter mindset of āeliminate the errorā - something that the cadets transfer into the personal discipline or even STEM activities.
I over-simplified my initial description - we do so teach, & it works very well.
As I previously mentioned, there is no real need to change the CLF exercises.
Even on a simple (non-IWT / WHT) basis, you can use the same commands.
Beaten to it about the accuracy of the L98 - itās āsub-optimalā to say the least!
Letās make things simpler, not harder. We should be knocking down the barriers, not building them up.