Talk: Royal Air Force Air Cadet Organisation

Royal Air Force Air Cadet Organisation

Updated this wiki post, could people with more insight than myself fill some gaps, specifically;

  • CCF Definition/ Sub divisions if appropriate

  • Establishment scale references in the Sqn section (bolded for now)

Feel free to fix any stuff I’ve said wrong aswell
Ta

CCF is a little complicated because if your region is now pillars CCFs are no longer linked to wings.

It’s kinda Region (formally test area) then dotted thick line to school then section but then dotted lines from the contingent across to joint cadet council (does this still exist?) with other dotted lines of head of extra circular through head to school governors….

There is an MOU with each school but whilst they are broadly the same they are a little different.

Thats far too confusing,

ATC capbadges for all!!

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CCF are under a different founding warrant as an approved corps in their own right so can’t convert :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Or let ATC cap badges go the same way as ATC silver buttons and switch them out for RAF ones. It would resolve quality control and supply issues, create stronger links with the parent service, match the stable belts and buttons already being worn, etc.

Amalgamations aren’t new my dear friend

may I introduce you to options for change :wink:

Likewise you would need a change to the warrant & AP1919 - think they did look at this.:slightly_smiling_face:

Was more just a quick way to say bring them fully into our org

RAF capbadges for all!!! (but under the ATC structure)

doesn’t have the same ring to it

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They are fully in our Org, they just are not Air Training Corps which is part of the RAFAC / ACO

Strictly speaking the CCF have been RAF Air Cadets since the 1920s so technically we would be joining them - bring on the L/Cpls ! :rotating_light:

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You said yourself that they, don’t properly fall under wings if pillars are in place, and Headmasters and MOUs (whatever that means) mean they don’t fall nicely into the CoC

don’t get funny with me chief…

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Memorandum of understanding - it’s an agreement between the MoD & the school on how the contingent & sections are to be run, who’s responsible for what & where the authority lies.

So where a Sqn will have a Sqn warrant (an approval document) CCF will have an MoU which is more of a loose contract.

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Let’s get them Warrants eh?

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I’m sure one of our learned friends can clear this up, but I was recently told it’s only an MoU if it’s between different countries and orgs within HMG have SLAs instead.

I don’t think they are entitled as there’s no regulations permitting them. When a new section is established they amended the contract /MoU

Which makes sense as schools would not be within HMG

But they’re not other countries either.

Some of their uniforms on parades don’t look like our RAF tbf
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@Chief_Tech Has there there been another change Since I got suspended? :laughing:

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Probably - but i think it changes back at the end of the month….i think the policy is on some sort of rota :joy:

good to know

Hope my 18th lands in a pro Staff cadet month :sweat_smile:

Just to add, and propose a talking point, should Wings and/or Region become RAFAC formations instead on ATC formations if the CCF sections come under them?

Currently Wings are ATC formations. Sussex Wing ATC for example, not Sussex Wing RAFAC. This is easy to see as most Wing badges will say ATC:

However, regions I’m not so sure about anymore. I had always thought they were ATC formations. Certainly when it’s taught in first class they are part of the ATC. But, C&E recently got a new badge which says Central and East RAF air Cadets.

So are they no longer ATC entities?

Many of the other regions say ATC in their badge. I honestly think C&E may have screwed up a bit putting RAFAC in their badge…