This just damages opportunities for women when we’re trying to overcome issues of access to opportunities like these.
Are we supposed to directly email our RC for permission to proceed?
I just don’t want to be involved in sexual discrimination, even with top cover from a solid paper trail.
2 Likes
Yeah, I’m not doing that - i might want to be a fly on CAC’s wall when it turns out that the Niece of a Labour PPS gets sent home from a cadet trip in tears because of the female cover rules, while her male cadet friends go climbing, but I’m not doing that.
I want to help set that up, I want to see that one way, hats on conversation that’s followed by a flurry of phone calls who’s message is ‘I don’t care, just emphasis do it…’ - but I’m not sending a child home in tears because of the collection of fleshy bits in her underwear.
I’m just not. That’s not me. However it might end this crap in a nanosecond, I’m not doing that. Send everyone home - sure, kind of - but I’m not picking kids based on their sex.
If some beef witted buffoon wants to give that order in writing that’s cool - I still won’t do it and they’ll be in tomorrows papers, and not in a good way…
2 Likes
In my area too - the number of male cadets was pegged to the number of female cadets, and very few female cadets applied so they all got in to Nijmegen, but loads of boys didn’t get a place because of how few girls there were
In my 18 years as a CFAV, I’ve never had a situation on a parade night where I NEEDED a female CFAV.
5 Likes
I actually had a parade night last night where I had no female staff. I didn’t realise until after.
Will there be a court martial as I didn’t seek permission?
Should I have sought permission? I thought this thing was a draft, but we have actually been told we need to ‘try’ to abide by it….what does that even mean to try if it’s policy? I read that as ‘well do it if you can, but don’t worry if you can’t because we know realistically not a lot will get delivered if you can’t’.
I also sent 1 CFAV to AEF recently with 4 cadets. If I’d followed the SOV rule, then no one would have flown as most of us were at work as it was a work day. Shoot me.
4 Likes
I recently sought Region COS approval to deviate from the SCD for this reason. One, I took 4 cadets in a car instead of 3 and I took 2 male and 2 female cadets. It was approved as the SCD in a test and report state.
2 Likes
Wonder if there is a way of finding out how many squadrons across RAFAC fail to meet the female CFAV/cadet ratio?
Would be interesting to see how many squadrons would be closed down.
3 Likes
I reckon for those on high with unlimited SMS access it wouldn’t be an overly horrific task
Let’s just say that some work has been done and the results are somewhere between horrific and a catastrophe.
Rough average of 3-4 Sqn’s per wing will fold, something like 45% of parade nights in the one sample wing would have to be abandoned, and around 33% of all weekend type events would go.
I don’t think anyone had even touched flying yet, as it’s too depressing.
3 Likes
I’m pretty sure we have a couple of Sqns with no female staff and a few more with no active female staff.
Cue a rush to enroll wives/GF/mothers/daughters as CIs?
(of course if staff cadets were allowed to count to ratios once more that would help surely)
2 Likes
Not if you can’t grow your own!
It has certainly come up in convos with departing cadets that not being able to do what staff cadets once could puts them off post 18 service.
apologies for thread drift
4 Likes
Where does this leave activities that already have ratios eg Fieldcraft 1:10 and 1st aid 1:12. Will we now need to reduce course sizes to abide by 1:8/1:10 depending on cadet age?
I think that’s frowned upon these days.
2 Likes
If that’s the same review I saw, the flying aspect was mentioned, but it was difficult to evaluate. With a sample wing, over 200 flying events would not be feasible under SCD rules, and an additional 180 would be jeopardized because of transport regulations.
2 Likes
I’m lucky enough to have recruited several female staff recently, but I know many that aren’t in that position.
As it’s been said, there must be an easy way to check statistics…which you hope would have been done before implementation and then a projected impact would have also been looked at? Regardless if the implementation was necessary for law or not (if it was, you would definitely hope the impact would have been predicted)
If it has been looked at and predicted - why wasn’t this divulged for transparency? We may then be slightly less frustrated…
Hey ho - what do I know?
1 Like
You should already know that we know nuffink cos weem voluntolds.
3 Likes
Theres a thread here about - I think - the SWR activity pause of last summer.
It later transpired that there was pretty much no one at HQAC who could use BADER to almost any real extent. They therefore did no kind of systemic research on how this goat rodeo would impact the ATC because none of them can use the one system that would say dude, you really need to rewrite this…
Maybe CAC can use it by dint of being a former RC, but the rest of them..?
I’ve asked staff who have been at our Sqn longer than the 10 years I’ve been a CI, if any parents of female cadets have asked if we have any female staff.
They can’t recall ever being asked that. I know I have never heard that or been asked.
We do have 2 female staff on our books, but they haven’t been down in months due to life and uni.
We have a heavy squadron of male cadets and a small sprinkling of female cadets. Any problems we have had in the past, parents have been called, or the cadet will contact their parents.
Personally, if we are going to end up cancelling nights or activities because we need female staff, I’m gonna walk.
3 Likes