STOP šŸ›‘ Car Parking

i would argue that correct and proper (full) communication doesnā€™t make the organisation ā€œbetterā€ either - but my word it makes everyone feel a little more satisfied weā€™ve got the full picture and can appreciate the situation however right or wrong it might beā€¦

the issuing being the volunteer is told to ā€œget back in their boxā€ (see the comments on VoV as examples) or that Senior officers simply fob us off with non-answers

i donā€™t believe anyone is raising FOIs to ā€œsolveā€ a problem - but they are to better understand what the problem really is or at least HQACs approach to it.

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Correct. But the comms reflects the former and not the latter. IMHO.

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Oh I have. More than once. I like my glasses thanksā€¦ they help me to see clearly., well beyond my own agenda.

Whilst we are all for getting things done to make the cadet experience better, do you think not getting the answer you like, then using influence through friends in CofC away from RAFAC helps mend the mistrust or make it worse? Or in your view does the outcome justify the means ? See my previous about being part of the solution.

I donā€™t disagree with any of this.

However, both sides need to take positive steps to improve trust. Openness and transparency will help understanding and start that journey.

FOI is just one example that is used in a way thatā€™s unnecessary and can be avoided by actions on both sides.

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This is very easy for you to say, because you clearly actually have an understanding of how volunteer organisations should communicate internally. However, there are many senior people people in this organisation who do not share that understanding.

Iā€™ve gotten in trouble for emailing OC Wing because ā€œI didnā€™t use the CoCā€. There are too many people in this organisation who rigidly belive in the ā€œmilitary wayā€.

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Similarly I was once asked a direct question on a phone call with someone at HQ, replied, then got a snotagram from CoC for doing so.

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And this why the entire organisation needs to decide if itā€™s a uniformed youth organisation or a military one. Any organisation has a hierarchy whether that be corporate, military, or volunteer. Whilst necessarily that command gradient is steep in the military, it should be much flatter in a volunteer environment, regardless of whether uniform and rank is worn, or not. Everyone should feel they have a valid opinion and have that heard.

This is where I think the defence and volunteer organisational cultures donā€™t necessarily mesh together well. Like any organisation the ā€œbossā€ makes the ultimate decisions but a good one ensures that everyone is heard and can take people on the journey to that decision. Thatā€™s good leadership and it can be achieved in organisations of great scale than RAFAC so why not here.

Iā€™m trying to propose solutions to the perceived problems but we all need to recognise that we have to take ownership of our organisation to effect meaningful change.

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You find us a good boss and weā€™ll see if it happens :smiley:

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Do they think your opinion is any less valid than theirs?

Not my call. Thatā€™s for @Cab to decide. But there was an opportunity to influence that conversation when the 2* came to this forum, the first to do so I believe. How do we think that went ?

His arrival shows willingness to engage and listen to opinions of those who he has no regular contact with. Itā€™s a bold move and one that could been used positively to influence real change. I see an organisation that is trying, but a community that, in some aspects, doesnā€™t accept that it may be contributing to that cycle of decline.

There is no doubt that there are challenges on both sides of this argument but sometimes there needs to be an acceptance that some of those are shared problems.

I hope that peopleā€™s frustration and mistrust donā€™t mean that the manner in which he was treated recently means he will not return. That would be a shame for all concerned.

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This is drifting the thread a little but part of the issue itā€™s that a portion of the organisation interprets the chain of command as a linear flow.

That means they view that all communication should filter through them.

This leads to blockers, trickle down Comms & single points of failure.

We see this in our cascade of information when something is stopped it goes to RHq, sits there for two days, then passed to wing, then passed to sqns. Itā€™s a skeuomorph hangover when the Comms were all paper.

In a national interconnected organisation it doesnā€™t make sense particularly if the different chains can talk to each other direct.

We moved from a snowflake structure to a spiderweb in reality but officially our Comms method is unchanged.

Commandant Air Cadets did bypass this once by sending a letter direct to all Sqn cdrs about some of the issues that he was dealing with & behaviour that was going on. It was an excellent bit of Comms & exactly what was needed.

Itā€™s the only real time it happened & I did hear a number of whinges from senior volunteers that ā€œit wasnā€™t the way & undermined the chain of commandā€ so unfortunately it seems like the revolution was not to be.

Toxicity has built up like pus in a wound & it needs to be drained less we get sepsis.

This is going to require everyone to change a little. In some areas volunteers have way too much control & influence& need to let go. In others areas volunteers need to step up & stop being spoon fed.

And in the gaps we need the innovation, opportunities for new ways of thinking & ways of doings that can be tried & implemented.

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Cabs post in response to the cadet question on the stable belt was heart warming & really nice to see. The cadet in question probably would not have known who AOC 22 group is let only that heā€™s called Cab & would gone away with some positivity without being star struck.

I think the biggest thing that gets in the way of good Comms is rank. Rank is needed for command & control in quick time situations where you donā€™t know the people around you.

In a volunteer organisation rank effectively indicates the level of responsibility someone has currently volunteered for.

However it is often used as a way to try & control things & people and dehumanise them so they are only defined by their rank & not the individual creative soul that they are.

Whilst the forum is pseudo-anonymous it does allow everyone to drop ranks & be more on a level with each other, making the flow of Comms easier.

Cab on here is cab & it puts a human face on the person at the top & allows a way of dealing with some of the jadedness & frustration that has come about head on rather than letting it fester.

Likewise in the small amount of direct Comms Iā€™ve had with Tony K, he has been polite, personable & reasonable.

Sometimes I think we forget that weā€™re adults & allow the teenager cadet mindset to creep in with playground politics & ways of treating people.

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Feel free to ask the question at the upcoming RAFAC Town Halls which will be held fortnightly TFN as a mechanism to improve direct comms and transparency. The FOI approach is hurting RAFAC and Air Cmd. It is having minimal positive outcomes for anyone but of course I support the FOI system as a mechanism for accountability. For my part, the new Town Hall battle rhythm will enhance direct access routinely. Ask the questions you might FOI at the Town Halls which might be a quicker method. I admire to seeing the number of FOIs reduce commensurate with this enhanced accessibility via fortnightly Town Halls.

On the specific question ref car parking, it comes down to my personal judgement. Untrained children who have no familiarity with how motor vehicles work should not be used for activities such as car parking / marshalling. The risk associated with RTC is my highest safety risk (severity and likelihood). Using untrained children in such a way is an intolerable risk. This is my personal judgement and I do not feel I need to explain any further beyond the words ā€˜untrained childrenā€™. I personally could not offer a credible a credible defence to a coroner should the worse ever happen.

I note the points on fundraising and I am sympathetic to the challengeā€¦but find another way where cadets could offer assurance to the show / fete etc. I saw one comment on here which questioned the risk associated with a cadet showing the way for traffic to flowā€¦I question why this isnā€™t be done by using a sign and letter the cadet enjoy the show / fete etc.

And, once more, please donā€™t question my risk appetite. Where the outcome justifies a risk to be taken then I will make a positive decision eg ACPS solo, adventurous training etc.

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Exactly all of this. In spades.

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Without getting into the specifics, it was less about my opinion & more that I would choose to answer at all. The joke of it was that the Q&A was so benign and by-the-by that I was genuinely shocked at the email. I had simply treated it like an exchange with any colleague: reasonable question asked, reasonable answer given.

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I feel this comment as I would have described to my kids growing up as ā€˜Decision madeā€™; with that, itā€™s done and wonā€™t be discussed further, so as we advanceā€¦ whatā€™s next on the possible chopping block so we have a heads up, and donā€™t get too excited planning this or that?

The visual presence of Cadets shows our children being given a visible and responsible role where a sign will be ignored, or if a person misreads a sign, that sign can not redirect the person. I get from the moment we are born, risk is a factor in life. But as the cadets are often under my care, they are my responsibility to make sure they arenā€™t hurt or worse. I have worked in dangerous situations and as an adult, I know the risks and have often not been fully trained and only been given a very brief, brief.

I would never allow a cadet to do something I would not do and I certainly wouldnā€™t put them in a dangerous position. For me pointing where a vehicle or person goes, or even an outstretched arm isnā€™t on my dangerous list as I would be watching them like a hawk. Also note I would be using senior cadets who are nearing adult age, 18, and not some nervous new face who has just rocked into year 8 of school.

But as Iā€™ve said, with that, for me itā€™s a done decision.

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Iā€™m looking forward to such town halls, but as prime example for lack of communication, I only know about the fact these will be be happening as Iā€™ve seen it on here. Nothing seen ā€˜officiallyā€™. I assume itā€™ll be in this weeks brief though.

I certainly agree on this point. Iā€™d always rather have 8 cadets on the water or a load out climbing rather than driving a minibus. However the HQ GRA for MT only has the risk at a 6/25, which I have questioned previously, but itā€™s not been changed.

I do however think there is a nuance between MT or transport risk vs car parking risk. Iā€™d strongly argue the risks associated with cadet car parking are far easier to manage compared to driving a minibus down the road. But youā€™ve made clear thatā€™s not up for discussion.

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Where it belongs.

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Well, Iā€™ve just had a teams invite!

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Ditto - to personal RAFAC account. EDIT - on a parade night. :frowning:

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