Staff Training - what would you want?

I have a potential opportunity to develop staff training for CFAVs across sectors / the wing. This is to focus on staff development that isn’t covered by the specific SMEs already (or not very well), so I’m not looking to do things that already have defined courses such as shooting quals, fieldcraft, drill instruction and first aid etc. But any “classroom” topic is fair game.

Stuff I’ve already noted from various discussions on here includes:

  • Extended AVIP support, especially for those new to the cadet/military world, including pre-uniform awareness.
  • Providing CFAVs with helpful processes and tools to handle cadets when teaching them.
  • Overview courses on the classification subjects to present to CFAVs the material they will be using to teach cadets so they have an awareness and understanding of the topics before delivering them - we aren’t all experts on the science stuff.
  • Effective presentation skills / MOI delivery for staff to become better “teachers”.
  • More complex “train the trainer” course on stuff like cyber, space and possible flight sims (I realise this last one already has a formal rollout in place overseen by the Wing AvO).

Anybody else want to throw more into the mix, or expand on the above with suggestions and helpful areas they would like to be trained in as a form of continual professional development whilst a CFAV in the cadets?



Caution you dont just duplicate the available level 3 teaching qual we can provide in the RAFAC.

Isnt all this covered already under T3 courses?

This may be useful… however the cynic in me would be concerned of the hierarchy seeing this and thinking, what a good idea, lets make AVIP a full mandatory weekend. Or similar. Enough barriers as it is.

Can you ellaborate? Especially the ‘handle cadets’ part.
Sqns with serious discipline issues, need other fixes generally, not just classroom teaching tinkering.

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There used to be a clause somewhere in policy that required all CFAV to complete a Methods of Instruction course, and there were sepetate Cadet and Staff MoI course syllabus. The 2 courses were then merged together into a single MoI course, and I suspect most staff have never sat one.

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I like this. At the moment it’s often a case of stating one course ahead of the cadets.

An overview, but also context would be really helpful. Example - teaching about secondary radar. Great, I know what it is, and a bit about what you can use it for. But why is this useful information, what else does it tie into, why are we testing the cadets on it?

What I will say though is that the current revamp of the classification subjects is bringing them out of the 1990s and right into the modern day, just be careful not to design anything that becomes antiquated in six months when the next tranche of courses come out.

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Nope, I haven’t :man_shrugging:

But it has to be relevant. If someone is a school teacher, it can be a super slimmed down thing just to clarify the RAFAC aims and learning principles. It would be a complete waste of time making them role play how to ask a question when it’s their day job.

Equally the opposite can be true, some need a super super basic introduction which simply may not ever get to the full breadth of an MOI course, which actually is fine for day to day squadron teaching.


Absolutely, which is what we all (and particularly those in the chain of command) need to be aware of and be flexible.

We need staff training that supports the lowest common denominator, but that can also be of value to more experienced staff.

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If someone is a professional teacher, they should be delivering the training to others - not receiving it.

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Yep, and in a world of common sense that would be what happens.

We don’t live in that world.

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A professional teacher doesn’t need any kind of MOI, as said above, get them to deliver the MOI, I doubt you’d get any buy in from teachers to attend this.

Also signpost staff off the L3 AET through CVQO, useful for a range of things and externally too.

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Maybe we all need to start pointing out the common sense solution more often - and calling out the uncommmon sense ones.


In the spirit of airmindedness, please can you find my PPL?

By slimmed down, 2 page PDF was more what I was thinking. Just so the box tickets get to do their box ticking and the teachers can be ‘signed off’

Other examples - Professional pilots with many thousands of hours having to attend an in person training course at the weekend to be allowed to sign off the flight sim part of the blue wings course. The exact same course that would be attended by someone with absolutely no specialist knowledge at all.

Hopefully it’ll change as we get more flexible after covid. You see it everywhere though, total inability to look at external quals and say ‘yeah they’re a bit different to RAFAC ones… and they’re absolutely fine’

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Bit of a difference between a familiarisation with a PTT, and teaching someone to suck eggs.

With your 2 page PDF what are you aiming to achieve?

Giving those who insist on a course being delivered the warm fuzzy feeling that the box has been ticked.

Not sure what you mean by familiarisation with a PTT? It’s a flight sim. Up, down, left, right. Funny thing, the sim is designed to be like the real plane. And the course isn’t at the squadron so won’t be on the flight sim you’re using anyway, it’ll be totally different.

Regular cfav check ins (career development style) either in person on their sqn so they can show you around / you can see them in action / talk to their co.

Teams training going over import info, first class training, acps etc in a drop-in fashion or recorded and sent to them when they apply as part of a training pack. Run it from an instructor point of view with tips and ideas around how to support different types of cdts, how to make it interesting and how to incoperate fun tasks for the cdts so its not a chalk and talk


Didn’t even know the t3 course was a thing

I couldn’t agree more !

We have a decent sit in simulator and the CO holds an ATPL.
Why does he have to prove his ability to fly in order to sign off cadets on the sim ?

Ridiculous !


And when do airline pilots always seem to be working? Weekends and school holidays. When are the courses run? Weekends and school holidays…

Lets not fall in to the trap of referring to it as a teaching qual. It isnt.

My thinking is that the sim aspect could easily be carried out at the squadron on a parade night…

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