Ours point blank refuses to deal with anytime or place other than office hours at WHQ.
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Begs the question are they the right person for the job
@AlexCorbin While Iâm the first to comment on paid employees to not support volunteers, I can see that there being expectation to do a day at work and then travel what could be upto 80-90 miles round trip in the evening has little appeal. At times it is bad emough finding the will to go to the squadron after a crappy day at work and thatâs nowhere near that far.
The problem is we have rules applied to us which are the same as those who work full-time in a location. Which is like any of us at work when there is something you have to comply with, ie 5/10 minute walk, as long aas it takes tâs done and go back to your job, ie you are given the time and allowed to do it. Not as in our case it is take time from your day job, which invariably means using holiday or maybe taking a couple of hours which you have to make back. Or have an expectation that WHQ staff come to us. Regardless of whether or not this is compulsory it was not thought through as HQAC / MoD staff et al are not like us and donât see it from the perspective of volunteers.
@Giminion I need a new MOD 90 but I need to do BPSS, the FS on the sqn is in the same position, we still get onto stations, might not be as smooth as it would be with a MOD90 ie we need to be escorted (if we have cadets with us they can escort us) but you get on, so do I need a MOD90 not really. I show my driving license, easy peasy. For those who do shooting then there is greater need to comply, but the vast majority of us that donât do shooting itâs not an issue.
Wholeheartedly agree. And thatâs down to the culture and leadership of the squadron.
We start the transition a bit earlier and see âStaff Cadetsâ at 18, rather than âStaff Cadetsâ. That slight change of emphasis sees a great retention of 18+ cadets, coupled with an easier transition into CFAV.
Others totally disagree⌠and struggle with staff numbers. No correlation of course.
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I am surprised there isnât something written into the contract, wording along the lines of
âthe job requires supporting the CFAVs within the Wing, with a minimum 37 hours expectation, some of which need not be spent during usual office hours but at Unitsâ
It is disappointing that Aunty Dawn is willing and able to travel the length and breadth of the country visiting Cadets on duty, which by default occur on the weekends and evenings, when the local WExO canât travel an hour to a unit within their area.
(there is an argument we wouldnât lose anything if Dawn kept to 9-5 hours and only at Cranwell but indicates the point @AlexCorbin made at being the right person for the jobâŚ)
Even before our Cadets age out to become CFAV they are treated like we would a new CI, Staff Cadets may know how the Sqn works but we still point things out to them, and we still have a laugh with them and make them feel part of the Adult team. If you start off treating them like cadetâs when they age out then who knows how the mindset with be them, constantly second guessing and not piping up when you would expect them to.
Sheâs getting paid c.ÂŁ100K pa, Iâd expect her and her acolytes/cronies (C.ÂŁ90k) to get out and about. Also she wonât be doing it at the end of a full day at work. Iâd wager when she goes to visit some poor unfortunate souls she doesnât much beforehand and doesnât do much the next day, or invents some meetings where she can update SM, whereas the WHQ staff wonât have that luxury and be back in the next day. I also imagine she has a driver.
Driving any distance at night down the majority of British A and B âcountryâ / suburban roads is not a pleasant experience.
Yup. Nice guy! Doubles as a photographer too.
why not?
why shouldnât their contract indicate they should work â37 hours spread across the week to get the work doneâ - where some of that work is out of office hours to meet face-to-face (of the horror!) those a WExO supports???
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If they could work from home or remotely this might be achievable, ie go to squadrons and then work from home or go in later, but as our WHQ have said they canât work from home, despite 80% of their job being electronic.
We have flexible working allowance built into our salaries but in the 23 years since it was included it hasnât been forced. If we donât work the hours we donât get questioned.
I think you will find that WExOs get a âplus factorâ on top of their salary to cover additional hours, evenings and weekends; but doesnât cover the extra time but thatâs what they sign up for.
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I thought they just got TOIL.
The problem with TOIL is being able to take it.
We get TOIL for weekend work and our managers make sure we take it. With comments like âwhy havenât you taken that day yetâ.
So whereâs the problem then? You get to take it. Or are you just trying to be contrary and not realising that you are actually contradicting yourself?
I was referring to WHQ staff not me or people where I work, when it comes to being able to take it.
So whatâs your evidence that they donât?
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Iâm speaking in general terms. I know people who accrue TOIL and then find it difficult to take it. Given how sparse WHQ staffing is across the country, it might not just be possible, so little point in doing anything that attracts it.
Ah, so youâre guessing then. Nothing you have said suggests you have any knowledge about the workings of WExOs and WHQs.
I sometimes forget how much bluster and bluff you come out with. Then you remind me.
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