Three of us (2 were nurses!), 600x, Century Range, Bisley, one collapsed 80+ yr old gentleman; we rotated through chest compressions / rescue breaths for 22 mins until the paramedics arrived & took over. De-fib seemed to stabilise things, most upsetting part was when they had to cut off his (very, very new & expensive shooting jacket) in order to be able to get tubes / drugs into him!
Spoke with him a week or so later just before he left hospital, full recovery. Did some kicking & shouting, Bisley subsequently equipped with their own de-fib.
Points of interest:
Huge difference in body tone / sensations / noises when giving CPR / rescue breaths compared to CPR mannikin. Really was disconcerting at first - trying to make sure that technique / learning was being actioned adequately.
Be prepared to take immediate control over any aspects of âcrowd controlâ or vital actions. Local RCO was letting shooting continue with first aid being administered!!
Donât give up CPR unless you are knackered or your life would be endangered.
We actually thought that we had no hope in saving the manâs life, as he had completely grey skin, with blue tinges at the extremities. Nice feeling that know that it all worked out.
Agree with 1 3 and 4, maybe (2) if there was no danger the RCO kept shooting going to drag peopleâs attention away from your valiant efforts, therefore keeping the goofers to a minimum.
Er no, not with firing still going on on the points either side where the man had collapsed! Also, some 20 firers in total, not an isolated one or 2âŚ
That was immediately halted by me - "STOP, STOP, STOP!!! Medical emergency - lay down your rifles & stand clear NOW!!!"
Iâm a NRA Regional Instructor - & the first aid aspects / associated firing point control seem to be the hardest for RCO students to get a grip with.
While updating my FAW on Bader Iâve just noticed that their is now an additional option marked âCatastrophic Bleeding Moduleâ.
Now I did Catastrophic Bleeding as part of my FAW (and I do it every 6 months as part of my ongoing refresher training).
Does anyone know what the module is part of? Is it an optional extra for FAW (in which case Iâve done it) or is it some obscure military pamphlet/course?
This is the add on because there are tourniquets in the MOD first aid kits mandated for ranges and someone decided we needed to be trained to use them.
@themajor isnt this basically a must have for shooty types in SW to deliver any shooting⌠Correct me if im wrong, not fully in the shooting world yet
IIRC there was a trial. But tourniquets are removed from the MOD069 kits as we are not trained on their use. Iâve seen nothing about recognising those who are trained outside the org, though plenty of our staff are.
So this all came about because of IBN 12-2021 RC(SW) went with removing equipment is not safe as CTR requires the kit with that equipment, this then triggered this SharePoint Announcement that no longer displays on the Region Site from the RFAO - CATASTROPHIC BLEEDING TRAINING.
To date the course has been trialled and is awaiting CEB / ACMB approval and supporting policy for delivery, and weâve had to use FREC3 qualified staff as Medics.
Other Regions have no such issues.
(Also as RC(SW) is an excellent communicator this hasnât been written down anyway but is âknownâ by WShoOs, so no good when I go and look at the RAFAC policy as laid down in CTR which does not require it)
I have been doing FAW for several years. Previously, my employer requested an additional trg session on Catastrophic Bleeds, however, when I did a refresher last year, it had been incorporated into the FAW course as standard. So I would suggest that anyone who does FAW (or has done since the update) should be able to get the Cat Bleed qual alongside it, but as it isnât currently in Activity First Aid, personnel doing that need to do a separate module, I assume?
Iâve seen it being offered as an add on for EFAW too, itâs been suggested that I do that as work is reluctant to recognise AFA and I donât really have time/money to do FAAW (they donât pay for it).
