I disagree more courses need to be run. The courses just need to be full.
Unless things have changed recently the CTT effectively tours the SATTs running tours for the people in the regions. These are often not totally filled. If the CTT carry on doing this and the courses are advertised to the whole corps from the off, with people in the host region given priority I think we’d see fuller courses. 10-12 full courses a year is potentially 100s of new SAAIs per year.
I feel the SATTs are the weak link in ATC shooting. My local SATT has a mix of very good instructors, weak instructors and just pure gun strokers. If you compare quality the CTT is by far and away a more effective training team. Also looking at the level of staff continuation training on the SATT it appears, from the outside, to be a private gun club.
The main job of the SATTs atm is to run RCO courses. Why not take the best staff from all 6 SATTs and add them to the CTT running RCO courses instead of SAAI. This could raise quality of the RCO courses and remove the ineffective instructors. Travel costs would increase. Although I’d like to see if we’d save money on SATT pay days. There’s always been too many staff on courses I’ve attended.
[quote=“the fixer” post=6257]I disagree more courses need to be run. The courses just need to be full.[/quote]When they give you a single course in a year and require 2 complete weekends of attendance they are going to limit the number of people who can make it.
How about expanding the CTT along regional lines, eatch region to have a Training Team to service their regions small arms training needs.
We can call them Small Arms Training Teams…
Exactly if all the courses run were open to all, rather than just the people in that Region, then there is more opportunity to take a course. They do run some week long courses too.
How about expanding the CTT along regional lines, eatch region to have a Training Team to service their regions small arms training needs.
We can call them Small Arms Training Teams…[/quote]
The ethos of the CTT is considerably better than the local SATTs. I’d be amazed if they could transfer that to people on the SATTs at the moment.
This is where there are variations, our SATT is very good, as are others out there, some others are not so good.
Some individuals on SATTs are great, some not so great.
I don’t see any benefit to binning the whole system. Sort the problems out and move on before sacking it in.
[quote=“Perry Mason” post=6265]This is where there are variations, our SATT is very good, as are others out there, some others are not so good.
Some individuals on SATTs are great, some not so great.
I don’t see any benefit to binning the whole system. Sort the problems out and move on before sacking it in.[/quote]
I think a new system is required. The role of the SATTs has been diminished. They had a large chunk of their role taken off them (SAAI) because as a whole they weren’t good enough at it.
My SATT only runs RCO courses and L98 Trg for adults. This Trg is compulsory if they want to gain SAAI or Range Quals. The integrity of a wing based SAAIs/WIs is no longer accepted. The argument for this is that poor quality students turn up poorly trained. They trained the trainers until 12 months ago.
The RCO courses are still signed off by SASC. Staff training can and should be done at wing level. I Just don’t see the need for 6 teams of varying quality anymore?
There are no doubt some better SATTs than others, but I hear from a fairly reliable source that when SASC starting taking control of shooting everywhere, they looked at the ATC, saw the standard that we were delivering, and as a result we came very close to loosing our weapons and authority to shoot/conduct training altogether. Cue the introduction of CTT and SAAI©.
Apparently, the SATTs weren’t that good…
I have heard this also from CTT themselves!
Even the adoption of CTT wasn’t that smooth
It was hoped that 12 SAAI would graduate from the Army run course at Frimley Park, however only 12 or so applied, with only three of those passing (Franks, Smith and Varley – others have since joined the team following CTT training and approval) the 9 or so that were binned fairly early, with more than one indicating “I don’t bother teaching lessons 5, 6 and 7 as its pointless” – with that attitude to instruction and (lack of) adherence to the PAM the impression of ATC WIs by Frimley Park wasn’t done any favours, creating greater tensions surrounding the ACO shooting community. Others I am told were dropped following lacking self-pride and professionalism towards the instruction.