Hi folks,
I’ve recently applied to join as a CI at my local ATC, due to the fact I’m currently in active service they said I should be a SI instead of a CI. I’ve nearly completed my checklist on Bader but I’ve been waiting for my BPSS for nearly 2 weeks, does anyone know how long this should take?
Furthermore, would anyone be able to give some examples of the sort of work I will be able to do on the squadron as a CI/SI? Cheers!
This is probably one for @Horriblelittletechie. He’ll be able to answer things better I think, but for what it’s worth:
It’s silly they’ve asked you to do a BPSS, as I assume you would have already done BPSS+SC given your currently active service? But anyway, it shouldn’t take too long. It’s done by our WHQs (Wing Head Quarters) so there isn’t much CoC to go through. It just depends how quick your WHQ is really.
Pretty much anything you want to do! You’ll need to do an AVIP (Adult Volunteer Induction Package) course at some point which if run well will give you a good overview of what we do. What do you currently do role wise? It may be that you want to teach subjects similar to your role?
The other option of course is get trained up to teach something completely outside of what you do now!
Also welcome to the forum, and the RAFAC 
If you are an SI then it’s a Pers 6-01 signed by your OC and a DBS is all that’s needed and WHQ add you to SMS.
There is no requirement for you to do BPSS.
You should also not be using the electronic joining process as that doesn’t allow for SIs currently, only CIs, Padres and new CivCom members.
As @themajor has said…
No requirement for BPSS/SC as you already hold it.
What you can feasibly do is dependent on rank.
No ability to conduct WHTs or be an RCO until you are a minimum of L/Cpl or Cpl depending on the policy at the time. Likewise DI is restricted to senior ranks unless you already hold through work.
Thanks for the welcome, I don’t understand either why the BPSS is required I sent the OC of the squadron my SC and he’s asked the wing HQ about it who have yet to respond to him for about 2 weeks. I’m an MP but work closely with the regiment as apart of the new force protection concept so a lot of my work practically would be something you’d have to do at a police squadron or at the defence school of policing and guarding in Southwick. Also I don’t think legislation is very entertaining for most kids. 
Yeah not entirely sure what’s going on as they’ve set me up on the online portal as a CI but I’ve been given the forms of an SI. I think this is the first time this OC has dealt with an SI joiner.
Currently substantive AS1 but acting corporal but to be an RCO I’m almost certain you have to be a substantive Cpl.
That is simply an incorrect process. They (Wing HQ) will need to cancel that and follow the correct process - as mentioned above - for Service Instructor. Fortunately the (correct) process is quite simple.
Welcome on board!
Yes, unfortunately all of the courses available to us that is a given for CIs and SNCO CFAV is set at substantive rank.
Which trade profession are you? That can help in what you chose to instruct.
RAFP - and with our promotion times it will be at least another 10 years until I can become substantive .
Laughs in legacy AMM trade pathway.
And that does surprise me that you are required to do the BPSS. More qualified in that rubbish than the E2 at WHQ who deals with it.
Yeah, until it’s substantive unfortunately there isn’t much “military” training you can conduct unless it’s through Q’s from your day job. Section visits and station contacts are what I used to provide when I was an SAC.
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Is it?!?!?!
You’ve told me it was 
That’s why I can’t do the course with you guys. But if I did it through work I could.
Ahhh yeah SIs cant do SSDIC. Got confused!
This is where we go wrong… SIs can be CIs and COULD be RAFAC uniformed staff as far as I can tell, but it’s cheaper (no VA or direct cost to RAFAC) they do also provide a greater link to the military for cadets which is great.
I see no reason why a SI could not attend the RAFAC DI course as by being an SI they are unable to be a RAFAC SNCO.
For Range qualifications acting rank is permitted 
But again, why is any rank needed? A CI can get range quals from day 1 if they wish. Why not at AS1 or AS2 who helps us out? (Not questioning you, but the org)
Army innit!
CIs are treated as WOs (Sir/Ma’am & accommodation)
The regulars have minimum rank requirements and for regular/reserve personnel they “should” qualify on their own courses rather than Cadet ones so they need to meet the min rank (acting) as in Pam 21 
Yeah, can’t have an AS2/1 conducting WHTs as in the eyes of the parent service they aren’t trusted to do so.
I had to march on my promotion course at Halton as Halton’s SROs views me as a trainee as a vulnerable adult and therefore under their duty of care.
Which meant I had to march as I couldn’t be trusted to walk down the road on my own as I wasn’t a substantive NCO. Despite literally deploying to war zones and being in charge of idiots and helicopters in the UK and abroad.
Is that for when BTP didn’t want you?
Is that for when BTP didn’t want you?
Yes! But I also enjoy pissing in service personnel’s cheerio’s in the morning. Especially the RAF reg.