[quote=“Gunner” post=4942]
Last combat jump undertaken by the Parachute Regiment - Op MUSKETEER, Suez, 1956.
Last combat jump undertaken by 2 Sqn RAF Regiment - Op SILKMAN, Sierra Leone, 2001.
Who’s more current?[/quote]
Silkman was not a combat jump. It was an unopposed show of force/pr event. I was the in Sierra Leone at the time!
Good effort though.
And back to stable belts…
Thinking about the comments on where the colour bands and their reasons for width etc. Are they not the same colour and width proportions those as found on the ‘TRF’ type flash worn on the old pith helmets and some slouch hats?
last amphib op was Gulf War 2 on the Al Far Penisular??
[quote=“papa november” post=4979]And back to stable belts…
Thinking about the comments on where the colour bands and their reasons for width etc. Are they not the same colour and width proportions those as found on the ‘TRF’ type flash worn on the old pith helmets and some slouch hats?[/quote]
That was my thought exactly. The TRF hasn’t changed since the war, and is exactly the same as on the Slouch Hat in my father’s collection. So it may pre-date the Regiment, or at least be as old. Is it the same one as on the tails of WW2 aircraft?
[quote=“Baldrick” post=4983][quote=“papa november” post=4979]And back to stable belts…
Thinking about the comments on where the colour bands and their reasons for width etc. Are they not the same colour and width proportions those as found on the ‘TRF’ type flash worn on the old pith helmets and some slouch hats?[/quote]
That was my thought exactly. The TRF hasn’t changed since the war, and is exactly the same as on the Slouch Hat in my father’s collection. So it may pre-date the Regiment, or at least be as old. Is it the same one as on the tails of WW2 aircraft?[/quote]
I think that the flash may go as far back as 1918, trumps the RAF Regt by some 23 years if so. I think that the tail flashes have always had equal thickness bands.
[quote=“sirvicalsmeer” post=4978][quote=“Gunner” post=4942]
Last combat jump undertaken by the Parachute Regiment - Op MUSKETEER, Suez, 1956.
Last combat jump undertaken by 2 Sqn RAF Regiment - Op SILKMAN, Sierra Leone, 2001.
Who’s more current?[/quote]
Silkman was not a combat jump. It was an unopposed show of force/pr event. I was the in Sierra Leone at the time!
Good effort though.[/quote]
Good point.
Not strictly a ‘combat’ jump I know, but still a parachute descent into a country that was suffering from conflict. More than the Paras have done in recent times I’ll wager…
Since the creation of the VR(T) Very Round and Tubby B)
Name me an infantry regiment that wears a locket on the stable belt other than the Parachute regiment who would prefer the title airborne to infantry anyway. AFAIK infantry regiments wear leather straps as per the old RAF stable belt.
Name me an infantry regiment that wears a locket on the stable belt other than the Parachute regiment who would prefer the title airborne to infantry anyway. AFAIK infantry regiments wear leather straps as per the old RAF stable belt.[/quote]
I don’t know about the infantry, but the Girl Guides and Scouts used to use the same type of buckle. Perhaps the Regiment copied them?
To be fair to the Paras and the Booties, the last combat jump was apparently in 2010 (somewhere in Afghanistan by SFSG) and the Marines last amphibious commando operation was in Somalia in 2011.
Name me an infantry regiment that wears a locket on the stable belt other than the Parachute regiment who would prefer the title airborne to infantry anyway. AFAIK infantry regiments wear leather straps as per the old RAF stable belt.[/quote]
Yorkshire Regiment
Mercian Regiment
Royal Irish Regiment
London Regiment
Special Air Service
Royal Anglian Regiment
Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
And so on…
To be fair, I wasn’t saying that Infantry only wear lockets, it’s just that I’ve always heard the locket type belts called ‘Infantry style’ and the leather strap belts ‘cavalry style’.
When it comes to the ‘Regiment stable belt’ issue, I have my own doubts on the colour argument, since, like people say, those colours appear on RAF insignia before the Regiment existed. It’s still good for winding up self-important 'guins, though.
Given I know Officer’s in several of those regiments, some of them are wrong. At the end of the day this is going way off topic, and yes I agree Ive digressed. The simple answer that has been around as long as this debate is that it’s an optional item for private purchase that can be worn by cadets, just like mess dress is for SNCO’s and Officer’s of the ATC and RAFVR(T). So if a cadet wishes to wear one under the dress regs they can, there is no OC’s discression as frankly no one is at the pay grade to make that decision, as no one who sees cadets on a regular basis is at the requiiste rank to impose such a sanction- how about the argument of remove all optional items- then you’d all get in a tizz as you couldn’t swan around in mess kit and you could wear NO. 4 interim mess dress abd make do?
Sorry if it’s harsh, but frankly it’s what annoys the hell out of me with staff in this organisation.
Here endeth the rant
Rather than a generic statement then tell them which is wrong. Royal Regiment of Fusiliers & Royal Anglican have the classic leather stap style stable belt. I know little about The London Regiment but as it has 4 very distinct Companies formed from 4 historic regiments I guess each one has their own stable belt.
[quote=“wraycoon” post=5015]The simple answer that has been around as long as this debate is that it’s an optional item for private purchase that can be worn by cadets, just like mess dress is for SNCO’s and Officer’s of the ATC and RAFVR(T). So if a cadet wishes to wear one under the dress regs they can, there is no OC’s discression as frankly no one is at the pay grade to make that decision, as no one who sees cadets on a regular basis is at the requiiste rank to impose such a sanction- how about the argument of remove all optional items- then you’d all get in a tizz as you couldn’t swan around in mess kit and you could wear NO. 4 interim mess dress abd make do?
Sorry if it’s harsh, but frankly it’s what annoys the hell out of me with staff in this organisation.
Here endeth the rant[/quote]
Unless of course the OC/Staff Member in charge authorizes “standard dress” for parades and the such like, where the utmost uniformity is to be maintained.
Members of the Royal Anglican Regiment:
[quote=“wraycoon” post=5015]
Given I know Officer’s in several of those regiments, some of them are wrong. At the end of the day this is going way off topic, and yes I agree Ive digressed. The simple answer that has been around as long as this debate is that it’s an optional item for private purchase that can be worn by cadets, just like mess dress is for SNCO’s and Officer’s of the ATC and RAFVR(T). So if a cadet wishes to wear one under the dress regs they can, there is no OC’s discression as frankly no one is at the pay grade to make that decision, as no one who sees cadets on a regular basis is at the requiiste rank to impose such a sanction- how about the argument of remove all optional items- then you’d all get in a tizz as you couldn’t swan around in mess kit and you could wear NO. 4 interim mess dress abd make do?
Sorry if it’s harsh, but frankly it’s what annoys the hell out of me with staff in this organisation.
Here endeth the rant[/quote]
And how often do stable belt styles get swapped from one to the other to drum up cash for the PRI? All those examples came from photos, so the belts do exist, and that was just the current infantry regiments rather than the historical ones. Even if ‘some of them are wrong’ today, it still disproves your assertion that only Paras wear locket belts.
So, nyer, nyer. 
Agree with the rest of your post though. Never seen the appeal of No5s for CFAVs (or anyone actually).
[quote=“GOM” post=5019]Members of the Royal Anglican Regiment:
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Good Spot GOM! Karma Added!!
The current design uses leather strap buckles. The old one, worn many years ago now, had a front fastening plate buckle.
[quote=“talon” post=5057][quote=“tango_lima” post=5004]
Royal Anglian Regiment
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The current design uses leather strap buckles. The old one, worn many years ago now, had a front fastening plate buckle.[/quote]
Same as the Fusiliers…but shhh…don’t tell Wraycoon. I’m hoping he’ll be back to ‘casually’ remind us how he’s an army officer, dontchano. That’s if he hasn’t exploded from the effort of trying to be the world’s youngest Colonel Blimp.
You mean Wraycoon is…[gasp]…an ARMY OFFICER!!!
Well, I never knew that…
Back on topic please chaps 