The scrolling banner on Bader has a simple heading,
Changes to security level for A&A
Which simply put means we can no longer open the box, transport or otherwise use the said items
Until we have passed the SC clearance level… That’s that then for this year
Badly worded. One part says can’t do anything without an SC. one part says rolling replacements on expiry of CTC. Why do people with rigorously controlled access need a clearance which is meant for access to secret documents???
God knows, but the rolling replacement is for those who don’t need SC at the moment ie no one will now get CTC anymore when it expires,
But we can’t do anything now until we are SC
Anyone know if this applies to air rifle too?
No it doesn’t
it covers everytihing - at least in LaSER!
Does this cast doubt on the D&C camp going ahead? Arms drill without arms?
We had a range organised for Saturday and L98 training (camp prep) the following week and telling the cadets last night 2 older cadets rolled their eyes and just looked at the floor. One of them spoke to me after the parade and said what the f****** point of this organisation and being a cadet anymore. I did say this will have to have hit the ACF as well and the effect on them will be more dramatic. But I have to say I couldn’t really argue with his point. I’ve been pushing our next intake and unless we get some really, really, really good news in the next 2½ months, I can see my normal presentation being extremely short, with promises of jam tomorrow. I can’t imagine being at camp and expecting to shoot last night or today (the day / day after the announcement) and havng to say it’s all stopped.
Wrt the new requirement, I do wish they’d treat us like adults and tell us why this ‘upgrade’ has come to pass, when CTC has been sufficient for more years than I can recall.
Wrt only doing it when your CTC expires won’t last. My CTC has 8 years left and I can’t help but believe others have 10 years and I can’t see ‘grandfather rights’ being in place for more than a couple of years. I only hope the SC online process is slicker than the CTC online which when a number of people I know including myself have needed resets because the site timed out.
You do get a feeling that someone just dreamed this up without understanding he repercussions. Does it stop regular personnel from any use of ordnance / munitions in combat zones or on guard duties, unless they have SC or is it just CF?
Absolutely certain about that? Unless you have access to inside information.
ACP 26 calls air rifles pellets, ammunition, hence it has to be treated like live rounds. Air rifles are regarded as weapons. The document says ammunition and weapons, taking how people in charge take things to the letter and fail to apply a commonsense approach, ammunition and weapons will I’m sure be taken as per the book. I can’t anything in the thing on sharepoint that says air rifles and pellets are exempt. If they were I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have put that caveat in the document to sweeten the pill of a piece of devastating news.
There was always a bit of an anomaly in JSP814 with respect to the clearance required for involvement in shooting. The ATC is the only CF that looked for CTC in this context; all other CFs require SC already.
another issue will be the backlog of clearances that was announced earlier this month - SC taking average 3 months!!
Also just scanned 440 - cant see where the requirement has come from…
I’ve read through the document on SharePoint a couple of times and from what I can tell, nothing in the document should prevent those already holding CTC from carrying on as normal in the immediate future. (personnel cannot assume duties until SC is received; those already holding those duties are not specifically mentioned)
All new applications need to be for SC. CTC should be renewed as SC when they expire except for key personnel who should be upgraded to SC as soon as possible.
[quote=“incubus” post=25873]I’ve read through the document on SharePoint a couple of times and from what I can tell, nothing in the document should prevent those already holding CTC from carrying on as normal in the immediate future. (personnel cannot assume duties until SC is received; those already holding those duties are not specifically mentioned)
All new applications need to be for SC. CTC should be renewed as SC when they expire except for key personnel who should be upgraded to SC as soon as possible.[/quote]
That’s how I read it which bafled me as to why there had to be a ban?
It should have been carry on but all new and renewals have to be SC. I don’t know but it certainly looks like a classic case of knee jerking and over reaction at Cranwell. But as it stands we can’t do anything weapons related on a non-specific timescale. Also if the ATC are the only CF requiring CTC why hasn’t this been flagged beforehand and why so much kerfuffle now? What has changed in the last 24 hours?
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=25874][quote=“incubus” post=25873]I’ve read through the document on SharePoint a couple of times and from what I can tell, nothing in the document should prevent those already holding CTC from carrying on as normal in the immediate future. (personnel cannot assume duties until SC is received; those already holding those duties are not specifically mentioned)
All new applications need to be for SC. CTC should be renewed as SC when they expire except for key personnel who should be upgraded to SC as soon as possible.[/quote]
That’s how I read it which bafled me as to why there had to be a ban?
It should have been carry on but all new and renewals have to be SC. I don’t know but it certainly looks like a classic case of knee jerking and over reaction at Cranwell. But as it stands we can’t do anything weapons related on a non-specific timescale. Also if the ATC are the only CF requiring CTC why hasn’t this been flagged beforehand and why so much kerfuffle now? What has changed in the last 24 hours?[/quote]… indeed what has changed… JSP440 update was last year, the latest part of it was Jan… so???
I think that people down the chain have panicked and just brought down the shutters as an Immediate Action. I don’t know what information has flowed in what direction and whether wings have received slightly different information from the sharepoint notification.
That notification could have been better worded of course. If it is intended to be read as we’ve interpreted it then they should know better and need to spell things out more clearly.
The current government wait for SCs is four to five months unless there’s an emergency clearance required (for the odd person, and I doubt any CF people count as that).
As I said treat us like adults and just tell us.
I can’t see the point of witholding the information unless it would cause severe embarrassment to an individual or group of individuals for not actioning something. If that is the case hands up, admit it, move on.
Admit what? The ATC has probably taken it one way, and the army another. Now the ACF are laughing at us what with the flying and FC stuff, they’ve whispered in their parent service ear and got us told off in the attempt to drive us into the ground so the ranks of the ACF increase and we don’t become a threat anymore.
Oops. Have I said too much…
In addition to the shooting fraternity, the ACF/CCF(army) require all officers to hold SC.
The SCC require all CFAV to hold SC (requirement for holding a MOD90)
Lets see if either of those comes in too.
[quote]Do I need to be vetted?
You will need a Security Check (SC) if, in the course of your work, you will regularly need access to SECRET and sometimes TOP SECRET (under supervision) information or assets.[/quote]
This could cause an interesting paradox. Any documents we handle, can only be stored on Squadrons up to and including OFFICIAL (and it’s sub categories). This also applies to SharePoint. So, what and how has anything in the shooting fraternity become SECRET?