CC forms are no more noe TG Forms 021, 022, and 023.
Same as before but only available as PDF.
And If a cadet is over 18 they must put their DBS/Disclosure Scotland/Access NI Clearance Number at the top.
[quote=“the silverback” post=5906]Same as before but only available as PDF. [/quote]Yeah, hopefully they’ll get a version up which can be completed electronically and saved off. It is a bit of a step backwards in that respect.
[quote=“the silverback” post=5906]And If a cadet is over 18 they must put their DBS/Disclosure Scotland/Access NI Clearance Number at the top.[/quote]in very very small writing.
The new form gives everybody very patriotic names: Joe BRITISH Bloggs.
I’d like to know why a CRB number is required? It’s just red tape to activities. There’s no chance on earth it’s inclusion on the TG form will increase the quality of safeguarding. Are we getting to the stage with safeguarding that some do with H&S and going over the top?
Also worthy of note:
“Cadet Below the Age of 18:
I give full consent to the above named cadet to attend the
activity detailed above. I understand that he/she will be
subject to Air Cadets care and discipline and must conform to
appearance standards required. Permission is given to
participate in all appropriate activities, I give permission to the
Course Commander or his appointed representative to act as
the person in loco parentis should he/she have to undergo
medical treatment including any emergency operation to
which I am unable physically to give consent.”
I was told explicitly, at ATF, we don’t have the power of “loco parentis” over Cdts. If we don’t, why has this been included on both the CC and TG forms?
This is giving permission to act in loco parentis only in specific circumstances - i.e. should medical treatment be required to which the parent cannot give consent.
Agreed, but OC ATF was admimant that we don’t have that “power” and that a trained medical professional should make any decisions.
In truth I don’t know the answer. Nobody can ever back up their position. Having googled it a few times I can understand why.
Agreed, but OC ATF was admimant that we don’t have that “power” and that a trained medical professional should make any decisions.
In truth I don’t know the answer. Nobody can ever back up their position. Having googled it a few times I can understand why.[/quote]
OC ATF isn’t an authority on policy. He is OC of a Training Function.
Agreed, but OC ATF was admimant that we don’t have that “power” and that a trained medical professional should make any decisions.
In truth I don’t know the answer. Nobody can ever back up their position. Having googled it a few times I can understand why.[/quote]
OC ATF isn’t an authority on policy. He is OC of a Training Function.[/quote]
I know this. I’m not in the everything said at ATF is gospel brigade. My point was we have a form saying one thing and courses run at ATF saying another.
There’s contradiction and I don’t know how to find out what is correct. If somebody can prove to me either way I’d be happy.
what is a DBS/Disclosure Scotland/Access NI Clearance Number??
as for being a .pdf copy the link i followed took em to .docx copies which i can edit…
Agreed, but OC ATF was admimant that we don’t have that “power” and that a trained medical professional should make any decisions.
In truth I don’t know the answer. Nobody can ever back up their position. Having googled it a few times I can understand why.[/quote]
You aren’t making decisions you are giving permission. If the doctor decides that the cadet needs surgery, you have the power to give permission for that procedure (as you are acting at that point in a parental capacity). You don’t actually make the decision to operate!
And quite often the cadet will be able and competent to give or withhold their own consent.
I’m not misunderstanding what the idea of loco parentis is. I’m making the point that the CC/TG forms say we have “power of loco parentis” in certain circumstances. I’ve been told otherwise by somebody that “should” know what he’s talking about.
If nobody can prove either way I suggest we leave it here as we’ll go around in circles.
What’s you opinion with regards to 18+ cdts now having to include their DBS/CRB number on a TG form?
Largely pointless and will probably be widely ignored I suspect. It would be more useful to have non-compliant cadets (i.e. those without a valid CRB in their vetting tab) highlighted within the SMS activity.
I suppose it is a means to ensure that they are legitimately cleared staff cadets. I wonder if we shouldn’t require the same from staff.
Indeed - but it would be better done in SMS. That way it’s visible before the event and you won’t have to trawl through the consent forms to check.
[quote=“the silverback” post=5906]CC forms are no more noe TG Forms 021, 022, and 023.
Same as before but only available as PDF.
And If a cadet is over 18 they must put their DBS/Disclosure Scotland/Access NI Clearance Number at the top.[/quote]
I do have a word version if anyone is wanting of it?
Every time HQAC dedicate time and effort on unnecessary administrative changes I die a little inside. 
This has got the potential to go a) off topic and/or b) person. Let’s not let either happen shall we.
I know what you mean…
Why change forms to such an extent when really, all that’s different is a couple of words?
I die even more when HQAC reinvent forms under their own damn names…Like when I look on sharepoint for an ID card application form. I know I’m looking for “MOD Form IDENT 1024C” - because that’s what it is…but HQAC in their morondom have decided to upload it with the name “Pers form 001”.
FGS HQAC!! Don’t invent brand-new, pulled-out-of-someones-BUM form numbers when the MOD have already given it a fecking form number.
Did I miss an email somewhere which stated the aims of BADER as:
“Make things harder”
“Reinvent the wheel”
“Adapt to a changing User Interface, whilst leaving the broken functionality broken”??
Would it be too much to expect that unimportant ‘jobs’ are ignored whilst important, required jobs are given to people who actually know how to do them?
I know that to the new eye on the forums I must appear synical, but the reality is that if I did business the way HQAC seem to (or contract out) I’d never work again.
It’s incredibly frustrating.
[quote=“ears” post=5922][quote=“the silverback” post=5906]CC forms are no more noe TG Forms 021, 022, and 023.
Same as before but only available as PDF.
And If a cadet is over 18 they must put their DBS/Disclosure Scotland/Access NI Clearance Number at the top.[/quote]
I do have a word version if anyone is wanting of it?[/quote]
as stated in my earlier post, the link i have followed off the sharepoint landing page takes me to three .docx files