Rank Structure between Cadet Forces

I don’t think it was sent individually IIRC - was an en-masse letter (possibly on Sharepoint somewhere)? I may be misremembering as it was such an omnishables of a change I’ve blocked it out in my mind.

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I certainly dont recall any message telling us our VRT was removed…

Also as far as i am aware… Removal of Commission has to be done individually, thats part of the regs.

So are those of us who were VRT still VRT we just cant wear VRT symbogy as thats been removed from ap1358c…

What an continuing omnishambles.

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IIRC the letter was a mass order to resign your commission. Didn’t pay too much attention as it didn’t affect me

It wasn’t a removal IIRC, it was an ordered relinquishment I think? Subtly different I think. Can’t quite remember and can’t look it up now I’m excommunicado.

Just to add extra confusion to the cadet rank structure it appears CCFs have cadet under officers.

Army and navy sections have them and I’m aware RAF sections can be known to have them unofficially.

On the schools premises they are cadet under officers and off schools premises IE blues camp or other joint activity off site they go back to being a CWO.

But they arent CFAVs and arent Commissioned.

The CCF has een around a LOT longer than the ATC - who are we to say what they can and can’t have :slight_smile:

Oh I forgot about U/Os - yes always great confusing the ATC with them as effectively they are treated as Officer Cadets.

Having said that the ATC also then get confused when you have CWOs under 18.

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Its not about who can say what etc blah blah.

The fact is under officers are not commissioned, therefore do not fit into this discussion, in comparison to commissioned ranks.

An under officer is somewhere between cadet and cadet… nothing more. They are NOT as far as anything i can find a CFAV so not even in the scale of this discussion about rank structures of cadet forces.
Unless we are now widening it to talk about cadet ranks?

Either way, they would sit below everything.

Edit.
Happy for anyone to show me an acp / pam / AP equivalents that explains this or proves me right / wrong.
Sharepoint is void of info

Just because their motto is ‘making stuff up for longer than everone else’ doesn’t t make it any less nonsense!

:rofl::joy::rofl::joy::rofl::joy:

I think the terminology was Set-aside

Just because the CCF treat the whole thing like some old school boys own adventure rather than a super serious method acting simulation :rofl:

Perhaps we should replace staff cadet with cadet U/O for those aged 19, similar to SCC midshipman or ACF U/Os [tenuously linking back to topic]

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Cadet U/O is not the worst idea I’ve heard

It’d be weird for Staff Cadets to be U/O, as there’s no such rank in the RAF. Also wouldn’t U/O imply you’re working towards being a commissioned officer, so if said staff cadet wanted to be an SNCO CFAV, then it wouldn’t make sense for them to be a, " trainee officer".

You typed out what i couldn’t be bothered to.
Good job.

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Except when they are…

Our neighbouring ACF unit is run by an AUO…i questioned that rank as the individual was formally a Sgt…their response was Army Under Officer.
Appointed the courtesy of officer but awaiting Training.

Like our Off Cadet i suppose, the white tabbed Plt Off…

I appreciate this is an ACF example rather than ATC you were referring to though

I think UOs only existed in the OTC, but seems to have crept in to the ACF. It maybe it has a role to play in other cadet forces, on the grounds of rank equivalence? Who knows.

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When I was on a CCF with an Army section our new Army staff were ranked as Sgt but appointed as Under Officer whilst awaiting their commissioning interview. I didn’t really understand it. It was just as they brought in SNCOs to CCF(Army) so maybe the processes were confusing at that point.

Do army CFAV all start as Sgt (SI) or can they go from PI to 2nd Lt?

When I was reading up on joining the ACF fairly recently, I’m pretty sure it said you have to spend some time as an SNCO first before applying for a commission.