So the person that did this made a mistake when they were merging a bunch of nominal roll data together…I don’t see that as a problem with the computer system which splits the nominal rolls into cadets and staff:
I would say it is pretty niche/rare but like I said, I will bring it up for consideration.
Yeah, it’s not a direct issue, it was a user issue. But I reckon that seeing “Cpl”, “Sgt”, “FS”, &c for staff and “Cdt Cpl”, “Cdt Sgt”, “Cdt FS”, &c would make that and any other potential instances for confusion null.
Aside from all that though, if the cadet ranks are indeed still considered to be “Cadet Corporal”, &c then I’d say that’s what SMS should reflect.
If we don’t include the ‘Cdt’ prefix on email system, it’s not unimaginable to foresee a situation where a Sgt RAFAC is given instructions by a Cdt FS, without either realising the status of the other.
As much as I value the input of Staff Cadets, I’m not sure I’m comfortable with them giving orders to staff members!
I don’t know…
Whilst I could expect that the Sgt might mistake the status of the Cdt FS I’d rather imagine that the Cdt FS in that position would draw the conclusion that most Sqn email accounts will be held by CFAV and not by cadets and wouldn’t presume to give orders.
If the Cadet FS is the qualified member of staff I would be entirely comfortable with that.
My first thought.
Or activity lead/part of the organising team on behalf of the Squadron or making a request with delegated authority. I wouldn’t mind, as long as they take an amiable and considered approach to it.
Out of interest when did APO become a thing? When I was initially commissioned I was (erroneously it turned out) told I was an Officer Cadet.
I agree it’s very unlikely, but having been on a camp where a Cdt NCO genuinely believed he out ranked the ACLO SACs, I think there is a lot to be said for accurate personnel designations on the email accounts, especially with the blurring of lines that is the Staff Cadet.
I’m not ashamed to let people know I’m a cadet officer, so there no reason cadets should be ashamed to include their status.
It also could save the potential embarrassment of one member of staff saying something innapropriate via email - offers of a pre activity, staff me bonding drink at the local pub, for example.
Came in with CFC.
although i get what your saying, i think that example would have a slim chance
applying RISE - specfically the I
1 - they shouldn’t be making inappropriate comments via email
2 - they should be making those comments to an unknown recipient
3 - as stated above - if the OC has appointed someone to that office, they are trusted with that responsibility.
Not innappropriate innappropriate, just the more casual “my boss has asked me to get in touch about this camp we’re doing together, fancy meeting in the dog and duck on Saturday to discuss it” type of innappropriate.
I’ve been on more than one camp where the camp com has arranged pre-camp socials with unfamiliar staff.
Whilst I’m not grabbing my pearls at the thought of cadets and staff socialising out of hours, whilst the rules say we can’t do xxx, we need to make sure the system doesn’t inadvertently make xxx more likely under certain conditions.
If a 19 y/o Cdt NCO was being used as staff for a camp, do the rules prevent organising meeting in a pub, out of uniform, not during parade times, and inviting them? Is that inappropriate?
The only thing I’ve seen lately is the mandate from on high that >18 cadets must not drink alcohol on cadet activities.
It is against our organisation’s rules.
From ACP 4
“In the absence of specific permission from Wg HQ, adult members of staff are not to take cadets to premises where the consumption of alcohol is taking place and staff are to follow the RAFAC’s ‘no alcohol’ policy when cadets are in their care.”
“Other than in normal family relationships, members of staff should not seek to have social contact with cadets or their families unless the reason for this contact has been firmly established and agreed with superior officers.”
I should have looked for that wording before posting my question 
ok i get where you’re coming from - an “inappropriate” offer made to a Cdt that wouldn’t be thought of twice if a Staff member.
Let’s do away with staff cadets and make them CFAVs 
Wash your mouth out with soap!
Yep agree entirely now. Wasnt my thinking 2 years ago. But now 100%.
Would simplify things immensely.
So I’m talking to the camp com about pre-camp drinks. Reason: to allow familiarity between the Staff team, including 18+ cadets.
The camp com is superior to me - he says yes. Any issues there?
Aside from the bit in ACP 4 that forbids it (unless your CC is also the Wing Commander, that is?), you mean?
I don’t write the rules, and I don’t necessarily agree with them all - but I do think that whilst the rules exist in their present format, then we need to to abide by them. And if something fairly simple like adding a “Cdt” prefix to an email account helps prevent me from inadvertently breaking those rules, then is would be foolish not to, IMO.