No. But it was a different organisation with different goals in a different set of circumstances.
To the thread’s main question, the response I give whenever anyone asks about call up requirements is that if we ever reach the point that the forces are looking at CFAV with intent in their eyes, they’re looking at any body they can get.
See, thats true, but asking CFAV to volunteer at their local station/whatever is a very different political/phycological leap to government conscripting everyone over the age of 18 who has 3 or more limbs.
Government would get to fill conscription at some point, it’s simply that it would get to CFAV’s before that point.
If they were looking at ‘specialist’ conscription rather than cannon fodder…there are much better people to recruit before most CFAV’s.
They would not need ATC/CCF skills …..more likely Engineering / building / IT etc.
As I said ‘most’ CFAVs …those with the needed skills would get called up…along with all the other non CFAV’s with the same skills.
Unless you join the Russian Army …..old style conscription is a thing of the past really.
Most services don’t have the equipment/accomodation/spare capacity to cope with thousands of new personnel arriving.
I think it will be very specific requirements if it is ever used in the UK - probably more like forced contractors
it would take time to mobilise forces, and to bring the industrial capacity online, even for fairly simple things like small arms.
That said the Ukrainians have done some amazing things with drone manufacturing and in some ways it resembles how we employed everything from railway engine factories to build tanks to furniture makers to make gliders in WW2.
The CFAV who are most likely to be useful to mobilisation, outside of their day jobs, would be those with training experience and qualifications. But that assumes their day jobs are not more important than the war tasking.
Some could though be a quicker way to provide home defence, provide some cover so the regulars / reserves / MPGS have some time off between shifts. All a bit Dad’s Army but if it shortens the time to useful capability all well and good.
Even so training would be needed (signals/comms, drone operation, how to drive the Mastiff or the Ferrets we surely have in long-term storage, heavier weapons), and the number of CFAV across any service who could tick all the boxes of a Reservist just out of basic will be small.
so just thinking by way of comparison - does/did Ukraine have an equivalent of ATC/ ACF & what part have they played if in any. I imagine there would be scouting in Ukraine but they are slightly different (although could equally be utilised)
They do, we had some on CCF SW Central Camp on an exchange the Summer before the war started. They were good kids - I think about them often and hope they are doing OK.
Whilst the 55 ATC casualties dies during WWII, they were not due to operational flights; all died doing something they enjoyed, many cadging a quick flight in a wartime aircraft which crashed killing those on board.
That’s interesting to hear & always sobering when speaking to cadets from other countries particularly if their country has national service & liklyhood of conflict I don’t know if Israel is still in IACE but likewise it must be disconcerting for those youngsters. Although I remember meeting air cadets from Northern Ireland in mid 90s & they were very security conscious & tended to have a more pragmatic mindset.
To bring back to topic Have the Ukrainians paused their Air Cadets or have they repurposed them?
Anyone thinking they would get ported across at rank into the regulars is mad.
If it gets to the stage of general mobilisation, conscription or total war, then the expectation would almost certainly be to volunteer via a recruiting depot.