RAFAC Heraldic Badges

Problem with consultation on designs is every man & his dog along with the sheep they herd will have a different take.

Better would be a like a forms survey asking for example “what does the wing represent to you”, & “whats make you think of the geography of the area we represent”, put all those emotions in a sound cloud & come up with something that allows people to link their identity to.

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Just because its on a town sign. I’m sure a classier mermaid could be found rather than a Butlins sign, and a better whale for that.

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Thought it was a dolphin unless they drew it deliberately badly to make it ambiguous on porpoise.

That sounds like a consultation :joy:

Suppose so but class it as more of a survey as its idea generation rather than a consultation on the proposed designs.

Either way C&E didnt do one (at least not that I saw - may have been region staff only) but you either do one or not all. Regardless it’s approved now.

But the old C& E logo is really good example of having a corporate logo without doing the official badge route

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Its definately bad, ive got seaside postcard in my head.
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That’s true, you could probably still make quite a cool local badge that meets the guidelines.

@OC.1324 I’m assuming that you could have a heraldic mermaid? :mermaid:

doesn’t seem impossible

from Arms (crest) of HMS Mermaid, Royal Navy.jpg

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Can’t think of any issue with that in theory, unless it were considered inappropriate for a youth organisation by the RAF Ceremonial Office.

But I think there’s a high probability there would be a way to render the blazon in such a way as for that not to be an issue.

Don’t take that as an official view either way.

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Just give her a Seashell Bra?

Works for Disney?

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Bar of black nasty.

Set of propellers?

I’m Sorry Chief but look at the horror

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Compared to this

Central & East Region Badge

Which at least
a) Looks like an RAF/RAFAC Unit badge
b) Has symbolism that links it to the Region

The Motto is TOGETHER WE RISE. The blazon (official description in heraldic language) is: On a Roundel per pale Vert and barry wavy Argent and Azure a Viking helmet Sable winged and issuant from a Saxon crown or the part-coloured roundel alludes to the area in which Central and East Region RAFAC operates, its coast and hinterland. The Viking helmet is a reference to the Viking Danelaw and the Saxon crown is a reference to the English Mercia to the west of the Region. The eleven edge feathers on each wing of the Viking helmet represent the eleven counties that the Region encompasses.

Now I’m not from C&E, I’m from up north. So preferably the C&E Badge would just be a sign that says
“Beware, London Approaches”

But Within RAF Tradition I think the current one works

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@RC(C&E) I’ll Only charge £649 :wink:

This part seems like a risk to immortalise. Could easily become an outdated reference with a future boundary change.

However, I’m not sure I can understand the “doesn’t represent the region” when the old one was a pretty generic crown + bird that looks right at home within this collection:

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Local government boundaries change, but counties don’t. Yorkshire has been considered too big for a single council since the time of the Vikings, but everyone knows it’s a county.

I think what @Giminion is worried about is our boundries to change, It was only recently we stopped pretending that Liverpool should stop being lumped in with the Welsh and the Marches, and became part of NR

but in doing so, We dragged much of Cheshire away from the marches.

Our Wing borders don’t even follow County boundaries properly, and they, along with our Regions can change shape, Merge, & Split

I Like the C&E badge

but the assumption that C&E will always cover those 11 counties is quite naive

Unless they’re fuzzy felt feathers, in which case carry on :+1:

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My apologies. I assumed @Giminion was talking about local government boundary changes (and all the county confusion they cause) rather than RAFAC regional boundary changes. Of course the latter could change the number of counties in a region.

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The Local Government changes are just down right confusing

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Great video that!

Sussex is one that sufferes with this County confusion. Sussex is the traditional county, but was split into East and West Sussex for local council purposes. Plus you have Brighton and Eastbourne which form seperate City/Borough councils respectively, but are both within Sussex. Each of the East/West Sussex is then broken into further lower tier areas.

Sussex only had it’s flag formally registered with the flag institute in 2011, thanks to a campaign by someone I know :joy:

Thankfully, there is talk of moving over to more of a unitry council soon, which would be better! Currently you have one council dealing with, say, roads and social care, whilst another is dealing with things like planning and waste management. They really aught to be one council.

(This is all very off topic, but is a rant of mine!)

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