Yep aware of all that but it was what the AEF were insisting on. If you put the next of kin details on the AV Med form then I think the AEF would be happy.
The easy route for myself taking cadets to AEF is to use a 3822 or a 3822a - causes less debate & confusion with the AEF because thats what they want. Yes I know its not challenging the issue but its the path of least resistance.
Another Sqn brought along TG21 forms as they “do it for every event just in case” which just adds to the confusion.
Now, i thought that one of the reasons we created an SMS app was so that the individual cadet records are available electronically for the JCCC to access should something happen.
Its not like the AEF are going to do the door knocking in the event of something untoward happening?
They need a hard copy. It is actually a rule as it’s a document that gets impounded in the event of an accident. All the VGS’s have made this clear to us too. The flying units are trying to be flexible where people haven’t followed instructions while the changes settle down so that cadets don’t lose out but the report is what is specified.
It’s a good time to remind everyone that they have to comply with the full military rules as well as the cadet ones and have all kinds of procedures to follow in the event of any incident. Far beyond normal RAFAC bits.
When you speak to the VGS’s and AEF’s they’re quite open that they don’t have wifi or mobile signal at a number of sites so are limited in what they can do. Our local VGS has two computers with wired internet access and they are both being used in the mornings for briefings etc - they are so remote they can’t get any more than this. They also don’t have the same SMS access as us as they were deemed ‘out of scope’ when SMS was designed.
To clarify, which documents do you believe you need a hard copy of?
661 VGS accept the aviation criteria report and an AvMed 1.
12 AEF accept the aviation criteria report and an AvMed 1.
If anything else is (genuinely) required by the MAA, these units are not compliant.
If you feel you need a hard copy of contact details, the contact details report for the event from SMS would provide that (and is one piece of paper rather than n that can be easily printed and brought by escorting staff without requiring parents to fill in / sign).
AEFs or VGS may not need TG21 or TG23s but as a unit we will always take one whenever we transport cadets to cover ourselves. There is no guarantee of access to SMS and not all CFAV have access to Med Records.
I think the allegory is that rather that just maintain your shoes, after each use you strip them back to polish them from scratch as simply adding a small bit bulling is “the lazy way” & you rather than do it right…
Given the question currently on VoP basically says there’s a work around for every instance of the MyRAFAC app’s operations, I feel I have to ask, what’s the point in it?
Obviously I’m not going to ask that on the page because it would go down about as well as diarrhea in a lift. But if you don’t actually need it for anything, do you need it at all?
It is quite confusing that the major benefit of the app is providing cadets with ID, yet when asked what we do when cadets can’t download the app the reply is “they don’t need ID”.
which is a valid answer - there hasn’t been a ID for Cadets in 75+ years which must indicate some form of a “lack of need”
but as @themajor indicates the RAFAC is being used as a guinea pig to trial what a digital ID would look like and how it would work prior to the commitment for the digital MOD90
