RAFAC App - What do you do

Adult Staff
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It’s primary purpose is to share flying consent & WHT at an activity, offline options are available.

I’ve never been anywhere where I had to show my 3822 or the cadets did.

U18s get escorted passes without ID, that’s the MOD policy based on what we have been told.

I got an escorted pass to visit HMS Prince of Wales without visiting the pass office as the visit sponsor got one with my name on in advance & for the cadets, there was no Photo ID involved at all.

Those complaining, I think we are making a mountain out of a molehill or complaining for the sake of it…

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Really?

Not even for whts etc?

When i visited what was then Strike Command i had to for ID.

Ditto cranditz. Ditto luchars.

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So, essentially, it’s not needed at all.

The flying permissions are printed off and handed in - we aren’t going to be taking phones off cadets and handing them into AEF staff on arrival, are we?

Same for shooting.

Pointless.

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Relies on having an organised RCO…

That’s not ID though, I never checked the photo, they gave me a book I saw they were current, if i tested them I wrote it in.

WHT Exam fraud could actually be super high…

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Especially if youre not checking the photo!
:roll_eyes:

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It could but I’ve never had anyone try to fake it. We have controls in place - checks on quals on SMS etc - but I’d like to think 99% of our members have the integrity not to try it on

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Assumes the civ com can raise such funds plus that means said funds are not spent on other things the Squadron needs or would like for the cadet experience. Then there is the question of through life costs and replacements due to obsolescence and damage.

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Odd thing is that some stations like Lossie won’t even accept new digital ID as a form of ID due to the op nature of the station and they have to use the station bespoke IDs and wear them when on the station …

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But seriously how hard is that?

For 0.22 an easy flick to page 3…easier than finding the page to record WHTs.

When i WHT on the L98A2 during the strip and rebuild i flick through their book always interesting to see how other units operate on other activities in what is recorded

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Are they not accepting it to then allow the issue of the Station ID, or do they just hand those out like sweets?

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Not the only location :roll_eyes:

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I spoke to my staff last night about the day. ID was not required on arrival but 6 AEF wanted proof that parent had signed for them to be able to fly and this is in the app. Or, if allowed, staff memeber could login to SMS whilst there but that is a lot of messing around.

The only fail safe for this is to either take hardcopy 3822a with you or an electronic version you can show. 6 AEF don’t have access to the bader records to see for themselves.

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All you need to do is print out the permissions report off of the SMS event and hand that in. That’s what we’ve done recently anyway.

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That would be simple; how many AEFs with different ideas are there :roll_eyes:

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Pretty sure they are all expecting the Aviation Consent report from the SMS event.

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Why not just make the AV Med a consent form as well?

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So the consent to fly is confirmed by the AV med form. However when I went to aaaeF recently what the wanted was the next of kin details ready & accessible in case the aircraft crashed.

TG21, 3822 & 3822a were all acceptable. It because next of kin is not listed on the AV Ned form.

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Yes it is simple, and that what AEFs have been told to expect. It’s a pretty neat solution.

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Not required in policy

Not issued any more which they are aware of

Shouldn’t be held in hard copy format

Very simple. Last time I was at AEF I just showed it on screen - they didn’t get a copy.

6AEF clearly need direct rebriefing.

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That’s what we’re told to do.