Proposed Changes to Civilian Committees

Holding 25-30 accounts is not the easiest way of doing anything - it would be an admin nightmare. The simplest from a management point of view is to have 1 account, with several restricted funds and budget lines for each squadron.

Which then means you fall in to the problem above.

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Looking at this, it seems it hasnā€™t really been thought through.

An easy option is to have all Squadron CWCā€™s as individual charities as SNI.

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NO grant giving entity i know of will give a grant for an org without its own bank account.
So if we just have a line in the new wing account for each Sqn, this WILL rule us out of grant applications.

This rule (based on my fairly good knowledge of grants) is there by the grant giving entities, precisely to prevent fraud and misappropriation.

Misappropriation in this case could be Wing says 'noā€™to buying something under the terms of the grant, or worse takes some money for some reason.

Loss of grants into our org WILL be a disaster.

All the grants i have ever applied for need a copy of the accounts.

All have needed to have an owned bank account by the Sqn.

All have needed to have local trustee contacy details.

I have personaly raised many tens of thousands via this route. Its loss will mean i will have no choice but to increase our subs to Ā£50pm to compensate. This is a calculated figure.

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See my earlier questions.

Lets also consider, they are suposing a volunteer will do all thisā€¦
HQAC wont find these people
They just wont.

It doesnā€™t matter who raises the questions or when. It isnā€™t a competition!

As long as we can coherently raise legitimate questions, we can present them and ask for answers. If people on here get too butthurt about change and doing things differently without actually trying anything, we arenā€™t going to achieve anything.

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Sorry but that is rubbish. The other option you have is to reduce spending like having personal tablets for each cadets. Itā€™s maybe not the choice you would want, but it is an option.

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Indeed. See my earlier strategy of:

You will end up with people paying cash into their personal accounts and then transferring electronically to Wing.

Can anyone say ā€œunintended consequencesā€.

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Not a choice im prepared to make.

Extra 5 likes for using a Father Ted meme.

Actually make that 100.
It was even in the right context of accounting fraud.

Amazing.

How much do forensic accounts cost salary wise and more importantly who pays?

A thought re wing civcomā€¦ do scouts etc allow coalface volunteers to be area (etc) trustees?

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Not as much as the loss of grants will cost us.
Thatā€™s for sure!

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This is becoming circular and pointless.

Unless new information appears, Iā€™m keeping this closed for now.

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Reopened at request after new info has recently become availableā€¦

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Would that per chance be the info and fact that all chair and treasurer role accouts are being switched off at end of monthā€¦

Dictat from Tone.

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When did this information come out? Is there something on Sharepoint?

Donā€™t know about others but seem to find more out from here then anyway else :sweat_smile:

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