Preparing to Return to F2F Activity... Again/Still

No time is the right time as we have been duped, lulled into thinking we can’t stop restrictions. Do it next month, the month after or the month after et al and people will still be saying there are people getting ill, NHS etc. Do it now and let’s get on with it, we need to get life going again properly. When it comes to schools locally the picture you paint is not the one we have. We cannot look at the bad bits and use them to guide what happens all over the country.

If people want to wear a mask or stand apart from others it’s a free world, but lose all sense of compulsion.

It’s been a real struggle at the sqn as we are trying to enforce, something no longer expected as soon as you walk out the door. I go outside as much as possible and we all leave at the same time as the cadets, just to feel normal.

I have a larger issue policing non black socks than I do face coverings.

Socks are a “doh” issue, face coverings are more of a discipline one.

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There might not be a “right time” to make changed but there is certainly a “wrong time” understanding the difference is understanding

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Agreed - you also have to account for the perception by the parents. If they are nervous & dont think the Sqn is covid safe or it’s taken serious then cadets won’t come down & word of mouth will make it harder to recruit more.

As always in cadet work we often have to deal with perception rather than reality.

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Why is this different to any other youth work?
It’s not.

NYA has greenlit mask removal in all youth settings.

So let’s get rid of mandatory masks and 1m spacing.

People want to wear mask. Up to them.
But let’s get back to normal.

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There will never be a right time.

If the kids are at school/doing school clubs without masks then those nervous parents are going to have to get used to it anyway. If they are going to pull their kids out of clubs and society they will likely be doing more harm to them than by not wearing a mask.

Time to get on with life. It’s almost as if some people want to be locked up forever.

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This.

Its surprising the number of hermits there are.
Deliveroo to the door. Amazon to the door.
Just stay in, lockdown, work from home…

Not even because they have to. Just because they like being hermits.

Pathetic, saddos.

You know, using derogatory terms and trying to label everyone is probably why you don’t get taken seriously?

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Meh.
Dont need to be.

I have a fulfilling career, a well run Sqn and a family who love me.

I dont actually need ego boosting or congratulatory statements from any on here.

But back on topic.
We have now reached the point where those who want to be jabbed have been. Most have had the disease.

We need and frankly must return to normal in all walks of life.
Including precious RAFAC.

It’s up to the comdt of he wants the RAFAC to be the sole Bastian of hermited youth orgs.

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Feel free to delete the above 2 posts.
Its only going to annoy people and benefit no one.

I’d rather maximise the chance of my squadron staying open by erring on the side of caution for a bit longer than forego a minimal annoyance.

We have staff who work with vulnerable and disabled people, catching it with us could be disastrous for their workplace. We have others who likewise don’t have the option to work from home and come into contact with dozens of the public and other colleagues daily, with the chance to spread it either direction with potentially great consequences.

We are not yet at the stage where transmission is as (or near to as) meaningless as other “everyday” viruses and illnesses. Research, treatment, and vaccination development is still ongoing, immunity is still developing, and the virus is still mutating (omicron - which is itself multiple strains of the same major mutation from my understanding - has a difference in the spike protein that has so far been targeted, and therefore immunity is reduced even among the vaccinated because memory B and T cells have been trained on the protein and its amino acids, whereas we need longevity in recognition of other factors to speed up reaction of CD8+/killer T cells).

Judging by other conversations on the forum, face coverings are not proving to be a major factor in blocking membership and participation. Uncomfortable and inconvenient, yes, but not a total disaster nor the blocker to activities actually running. Desire to remove masks - as it appears to me - is part of a wider rejection of controls more generally borne from the length of time that this has continued, which itself has been caused by mishandling, slow responses, and misinformation (across the globe). The spread of the disease, exacerbated by these factors, has allowed the mutations and led to the situation dragging on. Continuing to allow the spread only increases the risk of further mutations - with omicron it can be argued that it’s less serious (but those arguments often neglect the role of vaccination and existing partial immunity), but it’s not beyond the realms of feasibility that another comes along that hits harder and is less affected by existing immune memory and response.

The sensible intermediate is more along the lines of:

  • 1m+ indoors with exception for short term group activities <20min
  • no masks outdoors when 1m+, masks when closer
  • masks indoors
  • rooms as ventilated as possible
  • maintain hand and surface hygiene

Which is pretty close with what we have while allowing a bit more flexibility. You could potentially tweak for reducing mask use to only <1m indoor and out, but why complicate it?

Double jabbed effectiveness is reduced to around 45% against Omicron at 12 weeks, from a lower starting efficacy of I think 70-80% compared to the 90-95% against previous variants. Severe reduction in protection from around 7 weeks onwards. Severe effects requiring ICU still being experienced by those without vaccines or with otherwise weakened immune responses despite the “lower severity” of the disease.

2 days ago we reported our highest number of deaths for 11 months (as far as I can tell) - and that’s WITH the so called “Plan B” restrictions. Only about a third of our peak a year ago, but we’re not yet over this peak in deaths - cases are indeed now coming down, however. How might it have looked without expanded booster rollout and reintroduction of other controls? There’s also a strong possibility that their removal is a political and not health-motivated manoeuvre.

Face coverings aren’t our issue, but to me keeping them would be the key to increased flexibility and authorisation of available activities. Would you rather “face masks and do everything”, or “no masks and can’t do close-ranged physical activities such as a lot of leadership practical, FT, etc”?

Being on a unit that’s had isolated cases of 1 to 2 at a time only twice, had protections not been in place those numbers could have easily grown to a level that would have shut the unit down for a week or two, having a far worse effect on all of our members (and their families) than the discomfort of a piece of cloth.

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So much this.

Mask wearing allows all activities to take place (both here and more generally).

I’d much rather see masks retained and all other restrictions dropped. It’s such a minor inconvenience.

TBH, I’m considering mask wearing on public transport long term, particularly in flu season.

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I’d be happy with mask wearing indoors a bit longer, look to increase ventilation where reasonable, but ditch social distancing and the other restrictions, and let’s get on with it.

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The ACF have removed the mask restriction in line with NYA guidance. They are still permitted as personal choice.

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Your move RAFAC.

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What about 1m+, do they still have it?

Oh, not for months now. I think it was roughly Q2 2021 that we stopped mandatory social distancing. Possibly Q3.

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Do you do direct transfer into uniform from other cadet forces?

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:pensive::pensive::pensive::pensive::pensive::pensive::pensive::pensive:

Why are we so backward

Massive amounts of risk aversion and over caution to the point of paralysis

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