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i too would lean against this wording.

if getting on the coach home from Summer camp - who is going to see the coach passengers to bring the organisation into disrepute?

the only occasion I can consider is if/when stopping at a service station for a wee stop/driver’s break - but then question
1- would the individuals be readily identified as RAFAC?
2 - would a nose stud, 4 studs in the ears and a lip ring be see as bringing anything into disrepute in 2019 when on “private” time (or in this case dressed in civilians)
3 - why should peircings only be restricted to items which can bring the organisation into disrepute? ie clothing/slogans across tshirts etc can be as damaaging
example - Greenday’s album cover was worn in tshirt form by many at the time, the album in question? “American Idiot” - the location? RAF Fairford. Some of the less cultural members of the USAAF didn’t take favourably to these tshirts and made comment to the CFAVs.

An easy error perhaps, but sure equally as damaging as a nose/lip ring, tongue stud or other metal addition to the face?

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In my experience some of them would have loudly said that USians are all idiots anyway. Epsecially if they knew they were being overheard.

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As long there is no formal inspection looking for ‘prince alberts’?

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Are they though? Especially given drivers have to have designated off duty rest periods… where is the definition of when people are on / off duty?

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I think that’s where “or representing the ACO” (read RAFAC) comes in. They may not be on duty as such but still representing RAFAC

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What better for persec than to absolutely not appear to be part of a quasi-military organisation unless you really need to?

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My problem with was it was a member of staff who was waiting for the bus with the cadets and was tfen reduced to tears by a very senior NCO. Where perhaps a quiet word would have been the adult way dealing with the situation.

End result is said member of staff is resigning as a uniformed member of staff.

If someone says again rules is rules i will just point at the baseball caps on the D and C camp.

This is buĺlying and has no place in this organisation.

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That changes it all in my opinion and regardless of who was right on the exact rule you need to be escalating that complaint up the chain of command. That is not on and an SNCO should know better than to rebuke another member of staff in front of cadets, let alone in a bullying manner.

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So if you were claiming remuneration, would you not claim the travel journey back to the squadron or stop at the point you leave camp? Maybe not if travelling for several hours!

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Not sure what relevance this has? That journey is a duty journey?

My point is that people state that people are on duty 24hrs a day, 7 days a week when on camp. That is incompatible with other regulations we are expected to follow.

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If I was present said NCO would have been told exactly what a C they were and would have apologised in front of the Cadets.

People need to get a grip. There is a difference between in Civvies representing the ATC at an event and I’m civvies in a non-formal Activity like getting a coach home.

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This story is changing faster than the holes in it are pointed out!

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What I want to know is…where is the cheese?

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So, adding in detail is changing the story now? How has this changed?

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Adding details, changes the story!
I’m not saying they lied!
But by adding details in we have gone from a purely piercing issue to a serious accusation of bullying.

Change in story.
Not change in previous details.

@Baldrick you are the definition of a semantic driven barrack room lawyer.

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Why thank you,

(But I do take some offence at the term ‘barrack room’ I prefer Barrister at Law.)

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I know you’re a lawyer…blah blah.
That was sort of the point.

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You criticised The Silverback’s story for its ‘holes’, when all he has done is ask a question, express his dismay at the answer - which I share - and then explain the fuller context. Hardly 'an incomplete or shifting story. I queried your point and all you have done is be childish and insulting when you couldn’t come back with a proper response.

Unless you have anything actually constructive to add to the debate, (and insulting me is certainly not.) I suggest you stop.

Edit: I also see you have subsequently gone back and edited your insult to add more emphasis, clearly I have struck a chord.

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