Old MTP shirt

Can it be confirmed if it is permitted to wear the original button up version of MTP It is apparently more comfortable and easier to roll the sleeves up … … apparently

Oh no, not the sleeves up and down, shirt tucked in or left out saga!!
There are pages and pages ref this on the arrse forums. Makes amusing reading.

Not sure what the ACO regs would be as I have been a humble CI for the past 24 years!

Short answer: No.

Long answer: The “old” shirt you’re referring to is the CS95 MTP shirt, which is the previous design of shirt in the new camouflage pattern, and was only procured as a UOR for OP HERRICK and wasn’t on general issue, only issued to those deployed to Afghan.

The only MTP shirt you are permitted to wear is the MTP-PCS design, with the arm velcro patches. This is the only one approved by the RAF and the only one permitted for wear in AP1358C.

realistic answer? yes.

the number of people within the ACO who know or understand the difference between CS95 and PCS is infitesimal, and the the number within that who would give the slightest mouse sized poo as to whether you were wearing the correct, but all looking pretty much the same, shirt is an infitesimal proportion of an infitesimal number.

no. one. cares.

i can promise you that no one in the RAF cares whether a bloke in a field is wearing a CS95 shirt or a PCS shirt…

Great reply thanks you for your help I know which is best to…er … acquire

Irrelevant and short sighted.

Just because “nobody” can tell the difference between the two (something I vehemently disagree with) doesn’t mean you wear it and contradict the dress regulations, which state quite clearly what you can and can’t wear.

They are regulations not guidelines.

Angus - I think you have found one person that seems to care :wink:

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irrelevent and short-sighted certainly applies to anyone who cares about the layout of someone elses pockets…

In time this is only going to become more prevelant due the the Armys incessant love of multiple uniforms!

They have now decided that the New MTP shirt are no use for ‘Office work’ so they are changing them back again. I say ‘Officer Work’ as they have told me all sorts of pointless excuses for the change, none of which as yet ring true.

So just to make life simple, the Old MTP shirt is now the new MTP shirt, newer than the other new ones.

Before people protest this is rumour and not the case. I have seen them and attended Offices while they were issues. Appropriate banter was directed.

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i feel there may be some confusion - the OP asked about the old shirt, which was replaced by the new shirt, but the new shirt has now been supplimented by the old shirt, so the old shirt is now the new shirt, and the new shirt is now the old shirt. this means that the old shirt is both the new shirt and the old shirt, and the new shirt is now the old shirt, with the new shirt and the old shirt being both the new shirt and the old shirt.

HTH.

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Argus - who gives a shirt anyway :joy:

i think they are using the excuse “office” use… current shirt states “designed primarily to satisfy an in-barracks requirement” Ref DMC CG Combat Clothing (Oct 15)

It’s a shirt. Same colour, just a different pattern. A shirt is a shirt is a shirt. Said shirt, irrespective of pattern, fulfils the same function as any other MTP shirt.

Why get all shirty over something as innocuous as a shirt?

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Some people are begging to be collared. If the station/wing feds get hold of them and they get cuffed, there’ll be no more pocketing of the nice shirts.

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are you here all week - weddings, Bar Mitzvahs’ etc…?

Apostrophe abuse! :stuck_out_tongue:

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A shirt is a shirt, except when it is also a jacket…

Funerals mostly …

FS_Honeywood went into the 100 acre wood looking for honey. What he found was a bear who had the honey all to himself in the wood.

But the bear had this shirt, see, and it wasn’t regulation wear for bears eating honey in the wood…

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its the way you tell 'em.