I do know of someone who transferred and applied directly for officer, having been told that they would not be made to do OASC, but would have to complete OIC to RAFAC-isise themselves.
The boarding process with initial interviews was the same.
Essentially, they didn’t transfer, but resigned and applied anew. I don’t know if this affects long service awards (although it shouldn’t, in theory?).
It’s a discussion to have with your new unit and for they and/or you to have with your new WExO.
Regrettably, you need to prepare to be welcomed, ignored, promised a lot, given little, patient, anything up to two years, offer ATC-HQ something that solves a problem from them.
Then … if that all goes OK, be prepared to accept a rank at least one or two levels below your current achievements and responsibility.
This probably translates into the resign/reapply comments above, but with direct experience of a good CO who was prepared to transfer, you would think the ACO had a surplus of staff!
Hi guys
Thanks everyone for their responses. Have these regulations, namely 2.3.9.1.5, been updated since the Cadet Force Commission was introduced?
Surely as now as CFAV Officers hold the same commission, the process should be easy.
I don’t expect for a second to be an Lt in the morning then pull on a blue jersey and become a Fg Off but after a period of familiarisation the skill set is transferable, and sought after. Or am I being naive?
The transfer aside what roles do you think would suit me? Id clearly be out of my depth as a CO / OiC for a while but is there a training role on establishment I could slip into?
The Regional Commandant who was doing our side of this new commission was asked this, his answer was not at the moment but they are looking into it. You have to resign your commission in the ACF and start afresh in the ACO, whether or not you can apply direct to commission will need to be discussed with your OC/WEXO, but i really wouldn’t be surprised if you had to spend some time as an CI (which is very very different from your CA posts in the ACF).
You should get seniority with you being an Lt in the ACF and in theory should get your flying officer, but you will have to jump through hoops to get there. When i moved i was only allowed to use my quals, my time served (and my rank) meant nothing and had to start at the bottom of the totem pole.
Interestingly when i moved over to the blue side. my CAA said why dont you consider the SCC as there is a direct transfer process and i would have went in at my same level without any hassle.
Bear in mind that the wheels of admin turn very slowly at HQAC so if the cadet forces medal is something you care about be careful about whether you will end up breaking the continuity of service
Every squadron has a dedicated Training Officer. I’d be very surprised if the squadron your transferred to didn’t already have someone in post so it may be a case of shadowing them for a bit and gradually taking on more responsibility, provided they want to give it up!
Each Wing also has a training officer, and usually a deputy, but that would likely be pushing it to far considering your experience of the ATC.
Beyond that, some squadrons have a dedicated fieldcraft officer - though it’s not ‘on establishment’ as it were.
Lots of options open to you but it’s going to depend on the specific context of the squadron and wing you transfer into.
It’s ludicrous to think that now we have (or not as other threads have discussed) the same commission, you cannot have level transfers!!
I have no idea whether we actually have the same commission, as I’ve yet to see a scroll or any real formal acknowledgement!
In particular, it’s unclear as to whether we’re commissioned into the RAFAC (on a cadet forces commission) or commissioned into the cadet forces to serve with the RAFAC.
Will we ever know?
In the absence of any formal appointment to a CFC (scroll or gazette) I still regard myself as RAFVR. All I’ve seen is a badly-worded letter telling me that my VR commission has been removed on the grounds of a new commission being introduced.
But I’ve seen nothing official appointing me to that new commission, so I’m either no longer the holder of any type of commission or I’m still RAFVR.
Confused of Scunthorpe.
AP1919A has the wording of the new commission. Its on the CFC part of sharepoint.
“We… Appoint you to be an officer in the [insert name of corps or cadet force] from the…”
It seems therefore that the appointment is to to the specific cadet force, although the use of appointment raises some questions over whether the CFC is one thing and the appointment is another (but I don’t read that as the intention here). I’ll be interested to see if we use RAFAC or ATC/CCF(RAF)
Well, the interesting news is that I seem to still be an RAFVR officer:
(My bold)
But see the defence Council decision above
Which has more credibility Royal warrant or Defence council letter. MMMMMMmmmmmm
I am of that opinion also. There seems a lot of hot air but not much substance to the CFCs.
Maybe not for RAFAC but my Army officers have had their commission scrolls so they definitely exist.
Bearing in mind the defence Council have the power to terminate the commission and the decision post dates the CFC warrant being issued I think you know where I stand. I accept that they really should be sending letters to each person but they have published the decision on sharepoint where all commissioned staff should in theory at least be able to see it.
But a person gets individually appointed to a commission, surely it has to be an individual letter/scroll to reappoint them to the new commission?
But see MattB’s post above, where the amended Royal Warrant clearly states that an officer appointed before the date prescribed, retains their VR commission.
I wonder if this is the basis for the rumoured legal challenge?
But it leaves the DC the power to remove the VR commission which they subsequently did. There is plenty to base a challenge on but this would be a very weak argument to throw in the mix
It depends on the date the Royal Warrant was amended and the date of the Defence Councils letter. if the warrant was amended after the letter, then they have made a bold statement insomuch that officers appointed before Oct 17 continue to hold a commission in the RAFVR.
Ok. Let’s say for the sake of argument that the Defence Council have removed the VR commission. However, they appear to have not replaced it with a CFC:
Hell, I didn’t even receive a letter from CAC telling me I was being booted out of the RAFVR!
So, are RAFAC officers still RAFVR or are we in limbo-land and not actually holding any form of commission? After all, all we have is that letter (a four year old could have written it better) telling us that one commission has been removed and another conferred, without any actual evidence of such conferment being produced.
